This calving season SUCKS

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Re: This calving season SUCKS

Postby Bright Raven » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:59 pm

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cowgirl8 wrote:This is why I spend calving season out in the fields..I usually save one or two from sack suffocation, and risk my life doing it.. This season i'll carry a stick with a hook to do it from my 4wheeler on the run.....Last spring I watched a cow calve from a distance and saw her just lay there...after a few minutes thinking, Yay I don't have to keep hanging around and drove past her on my way out, I saw the calf behind her still fully incased in the sack trying to breath. As quick as I could, I jumped off and tried with my nails to rip a hole in the nose area...That dang thing was so tough I couldn't. Meanwhile, the cow named Stinkeye, got up and put her stinkeye in my eye...One day my family is going to find me crumpled up on the ground and wonder what the heck happened to me...


Here I am telling you to be careful - when I get right there after the calf is out and weigh, spray the navel with iodine, and administer First Defense and Inforce 3. All with the cow there licking and mooing in my face. My cows are very familiar with me but it is a risk!!!

Did you see the video of the woman who was tending to a dairy calf....I saw the video and then it was removed from youtube because she was killed. It was brutal and went on forever... I'm sure that cow had been handled all her life, you'd think you'd be sort of safe...


No, did not see it but plenty of cases of farmers here mauled by cows that have calves. I accept my risks. Same way I do when I drive a vehicle. Believe me when I say this - the drivers on US 62 between here and Maysville are exponentially more dangerous to my life and limb than any of my cows under any circumstances.
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Re: This calving season SUCKS

Postby cowgirl8 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:22 pm

Bright Raven wrote:No, did not see it but plenty of cases of farmers here mauled by cows that have calves. I accept my risks. Same way I do when I drive a vehicle. Believe me when I say this - the drivers on US 62 between here and Maysville are exponentially more dangerous to my life and limb than any of my cows under any circumstances.

And that my friends is logic... so refreshing to see it.
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Re: This calving season SUCKS

Postby True Grit Farms » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:37 pm

pdfangus wrote:you are never safe from any new mother.......of any species....

Your never safe with any animal, mother or not. Stuff happens and animals can be unpredictable. One of our most easy going cows got into the corn and got sick. She didn't want anyone to help her, she wanted to kill everyone.
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Postby Lazy M » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:51 pm

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No, did not see it but plenty of cases of farmers here mauled by cows that have calves. I accept my risks. Same way I do when I drive a vehicle. Believe me when I say this - the drivers on US 62 between here and Maysville are exponentially more dangerous to my life and limb than any of my cows under any circumstances.

I've drove that road and can vouch that the man is speaking truth
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Re: This calving season SUCKS

Postby FlyingLSimmentals » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:51 am

US 62 is BAD on my end of state as well. Sorry for the bad luck you're having fire sweep!
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:12 pm

Sorry to hear that. Any loss is tough, but when you already have had your fair share, then it's a heifer, to boot, just sucks.
But, you make me hesitate to use Broadway. I really would not want calves that small!!!!
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Re: This calving season SUCKS

Postby Bright Raven » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:57 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Sorry to hear that. Any loss is tough, but when you already have had your fair share, then it's a heifer, to boot, just sucks.
But, you make me hesitate to use Broadway. I really would not want calves that small!!!!


It is my opinion that Kris' experience with Broadway weights is an anomaly.

Jeanne, I will let you know because I just bought a cane of Broadway. I like my two Broadway calves.

As you saw, my three Broadway calves are normal:
I have had three, as follows:

72
93
84
For an average of 83.
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Re: This calving season SUCKS

Postby True Grit Farms » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:08 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Sorry to hear that. Any loss is tough, but when you already have had your fair share, then it's a heifer, to boot, just sucks.
But, you make me hesitate to use Broadway. I really would not want calves that small!!!!


It is my opinion that Kris' experience with Broadway weights is an anomaly.

Jeanne, I will let you know because I just bought a cane of Broadway. I like my two Broadway calves.

As you saw, my three Broadway calves are normal:
I have had three, as follows:

72
93
84
For an average of 83.

Isn't that a low BW adverage for your herd? I have problems keeping up.
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Re: This calving season SUCKS

Postby Bright Raven » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:14 pm

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Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Sorry to hear that. Any loss is tough, but when you already have had your fair share, then it's a heifer, to boot, just sucks.
But, you make me hesitate to use Broadway. I really would not want calves that small!!!!


It is my opinion that Kris' experience with Broadway weights is an anomaly.

Jeanne, I will let you know because I just bought a cane of Broadway. I like my two Broadway calves.

As you saw, my three Broadway calves are normal:
I have had three, as follows:

72
93
84
For an average of 83.

Isn't that a low BW adverage for your herd? I have problems keeping up.


Yes. My running average is 86. So Broadway is under my average. It is very odd that Kris has had low birth weights from Broadway. He has a reputation for big calves.
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Re: This calving season SUCKS

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:46 am

Are we talking Hook's Broadway 11B?? His numbers do not indicate small calves!!!
CE 1 BW +3 with an API of 120
NOT good numbers.
Fire Sweep, is there any chance your cows are being effected by BVD or another reproductive disease? One tends to have small weak calves early birth - which seems to fit what you have experienced. Could be coincidence that it is the Broadway calves being effected. We need Lucky P's advice.
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Re: This calving season SUCKS

Postby Bright Raven » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:13 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Are we talking Hook's Broadway 11B?? His numbers do not indicate small calves!!!
CE 1 BW +3 with an API of 120
NOT good numbers.
Fire Sweep, is there any chance your cows are being effected by BVD or another reproductive disease? One tends to have small weak calves early birth - which seems to fit what you have experienced. Could be coincidencne that it is the Broadway calves being effected. We need Lucky P's advice.


Yes. Hooks Broadway.
I meant my average is below his numbers. Yes. I agree. His EPDs suggest big calves. But they are not showing up here.
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Re: This calving season SUCKS

Postby Fire Sweep Ranch » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:26 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Are we talking Hook's Broadway 11B?? His numbers do not indicate small calves!!!
CE 1 BW +3 with an API of 120
NOT good numbers.
Fire Sweep, is there any chance your cows are being effected by BVD or another reproductive disease? One tends to have small weak calves early birth - which seems to fit what you have experienced. Could be coincidence that it is the Broadway calves being effected. We need Lucky P's advice.


No chance of BVD, we check just about every animal except the last year (ear notch).
The ONLY small caves I have had was the Broadway, the others are average. His EPD's changed when they reran the numbers with the new system, and I have little faith in them. I know what we have experienced here, smaller than average and 7 days early. One two weeks early! There is something going on with him (my cattle are rarely early), but my sample size is too small to give any validity. And, none of them have been weak. The little heifer out of our Broker female (a heifer) was 2 weeks early, but is already 154 pounds at 45 days! She took off like gangbusters after she was born! The one we lost a few weeks ago was 7 days early. So my small birth weights are mostly attributed to early births.
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Re: This calving season SUCKS

Postby coachg » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:35 am

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coachg wrote:I feel your pain, things sure can go south in a hurry when it comes to calving. We had 15 in a row, lost a set of twins, and then a 12 day old calf to an umbilical abbcess . Grandpa Griffith use to say you can't lose em if you don't have them and if you have them you are going to lose em. Still stinks !
the old Hereford man? Bought a couple bulls from him years ago....

That was my grandpa's brother John Ike , he owned GriffithHereford Farms. Grandpa lived on the farm and helped out.
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Postby Fire Sweep Ranch » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:35 pm

And the curse continues.....

We had a cow go into labor yesterday. I noticed at 1PM she was"laborish"; laying down and pushing lightly, getting up and repositioning herself. Finally, around 4PM, she broke her water. Her labor was still about the same, with a little more pushing. By darkfall, I decided to bring her in and check on things (love having halter broke cattle). All I can feel is the tail of the calf, and I am all the way up to my shoulders. I know when I am out of my league, so I called the vet. Not only is it after hours, but there are two emergencies in front of me (a dog needing immediate surgery for pyometra and a down cow). Ugh... his clinic is 20 minutes away, and I was happy to see him pull in just 45 minutes after I called.
We tie up the cow, he goes in all the way to his shoulders (he is a very tall man), and is able to get the back feet into the vagina. He hooks up the chains (and I notice little legs, which is good), sits down on the ground, puts his feet on the cow's rump, and pulls. The calf practically flew out! We were laughing at the scene, wishing someone had clean hands to take a picture! The calf was not responding, so he put some straw up her nose to get her going....
Here he is after she flew out, and he was trying to get her breathing...
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Here is our son drying off the calf and further stimulating her to breath.
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So thankful we have a live calf to show for it! It is our son's cow and calf, so he helped the entire process.
The cow is SimmAngus (Beef Maker sired), and this is her third (and smallest) calf. She was 287 days gestation, and the calf weighed 61 pounds this morning. The calf is sired by Cut Above (or better knows as Fat Butt).
Here she is this morning, right after weighing and kicking her out to pasture...
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I am praying it gets better from here... really I have had enough of this stuff!
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