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Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 10:27 pm
by Stocker Steve
Is there a correlation between calf size and breech or leg back presentations?

Re: Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 2:46 am
by dun
Not really that I have found any thing about. Twins throw a turd in the punch nowl, but unless a calf is huge and the cow is really small they usually manage ot get rotated properly

Re: Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 2:47 am
by Nesikep
I haven't paid much attention to it, but it hasn't struck me at all.

Re: Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:07 am
by Stocker Steve
What percentage of calf presentations do you see with one or both legs back?

Re: Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:52 am
by Aaron
Stocker Steve wrote:What percentage of calf presentations do you see with one or both legs back?


Less than 1%.

Re: Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 10:00 am
by Nesikep
In 500 calves, I've never had ONE leg the wrong way, I've had may be 4 that were breech birth with both hinds facing forward, 2 of those were twins.

Normal backwards presentations, I've probably had a dozen or two.

Re: Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 2:28 pm
by Stocker Steve
Seeing 2% with legs back, with another 3% that are husky and hard pulls. All but one from a sire. Might be my turn, but he is running about 12% problems. Normally I don't touch a calf.

Re: Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 7:52 pm
by wbvs58
I think if there is plenty of room a presentation with a leg back often gets passed by itself and we are none the wiser, If it is a big calf there is no room for error.

Ken

Re: Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:08 pm
by Bigfoot
I'm very seldom eye witness to a calf being born, so I can't say what happens when I'm not there. My instinct has always been that several bad presentations just go ahead and are born on there on.

Re: Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:15 pm
by Fire Sweep Ranch
We have had one with just one back leg presenting. I worked on the cow for about 30 minutes, but could not get the other leg so called a vet. A shot of lidocaine in the tailhead and 5 minutes later and the calf was out. A little 62 pound heifer.
That 12% problems is how many total calves? Sounds high, but the cow is part of the equation too.

Re: Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:30 pm
by Lazy M
Helped my nephew pull a calf last night. It was backwards and upside down. Bent the rod on my puller and ended up using a heavy duty wench to get it out. Calf was dead and it was a monster. Prob around 130 lbs. Cow got up shortly after the pull, and seems alright. Gave her a shot of nuflur just in case. Got in after midnight.. I really need to turn my phone off after I go to bed..

Re: Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 10:12 pm
by ez14.
for getting them repositioned if you can get the front of the cow down hill (so everything moves forwards inside her) you should gain some room to work (i plan on making a chute with a jack on the back some day so i can just tilt them right forward)

Re: Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 6:29 am
by TCRanch
We lost one yesterday and I can only assume it was due to presentation or it's possible she stepped on his head. This was a pretty small calf and she's a huge 10 year old cow. Looks like an extreme case of dyscotia, his eyes were so swollen shut I couldn't even open them, tongue was protruding out the other side of his mouth and was swollen but not as much as I expected. Contrary to how it appears in the pic, he was very much alive & bawling but flopped around like a rag doll. He was also cryptorchid. Thoughts?

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Re: Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 6:11 pm
by Stocker Steve
Fire Sweep Ranch wrote:That 12% problems is how many total calves? Sounds high, but the cow is part of the equation too.


Five so far... I think the fair thing to say is this hybrid vigor bull does not fit my system.

I don't think we know about many of the improper presentations. May just find a "stillborn" calf.

Re: Calving Difficulty due to Presentation ?

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 11:50 am
by kerley
TCRanch wrote:We lost one yesterday and I can only assume it was due to presentation or it's possible she stepped on his head. This was a pretty small calf and she's a huge 10 year old cow. Looks like an extreme case of dyscotia, his eyes were so swollen shut I couldn't even open them, tongue was protruding out the other side of his mouth and was swollen but not as much as I expected. Contrary to how it appears in the pic, he was very much alive & bawling but flopped around like a rag doll. He was also cryptorchid. Thoughts?

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Nice Calve, sorry you lost him.