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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by BRYANT » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:14 am

ez14. wrote:I've seen one like this used
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Should be able to make one pretty easy

I made mine like that but longer and wider I also have a chain welded on it so I can adjust it to fit the cattle I am working. I can make it work on 2000 lb. bulls or 350 lb. calves or I can lift it up and hook it to where its not even down in the alley. stick a pipe in front of it and it will work as a stop to where they can't even go up the alley if needed


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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by TexasBred » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:27 pm

dun wrote:I hate them. When we used them I was always banging my head on them if I had to get in the alley for anything. Now I just use the pipe method.

Pipe works here too....or a post.
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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by Boot Jack Bulls » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:48 pm

TexasBred wrote:
dun wrote:I hate them. When we used them I was always banging my head on them if I had to get in the alley for anything. Now I just use the pipe method.

Pipe works here too....or a post.

I second (or third I guess) the pipe. We actually got a smoothed off 1 inch thick, 6 foot long fiberglass "rod" from the guy who semen tests bulls for me and I wish i had another. It doesn't shed fibers into your hand and is light enough to throw around in a hurry, but will hold if one of our cows or bulls (several over a ton) ram into it. They have tried, but cannot break it. I'm sure that eventually, it will succumb to age, but so far (3 years of nearly daily use) and it is holding up. I wish I had more of them...
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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by Tbrake » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:20 pm

dun wrote:I hate them. When we used them I was always banging my head on them if I had to get in the alley for anything. Now I just use the pipe method.


Glad I’m not the only one. Broke my Oakley sunglasses in half I was wearing on top of my head.

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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by Caustic Burno » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:00 am

Tbrake wrote:
dun wrote:I hate them. When we used them I was always banging my head on them if I had to get in the alley for anything. Now I just use the pipe method.


Glad I’m not the only one. Broke my Oakley sunglasses in half I was wearing on top of my head.


Your not supposed to be in the chute the cattle are.
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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by dun » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:34 am

Caustic Burno wrote:
Tbrake wrote:
dun wrote:I hate them. When we used them I was always banging my head on them if I had to get in the alley for anything. Now I just use the pipe method.


Glad I’m not the only one. Broke my Oakley sunglasses in half I was wearing on top of my head.


Your not supposed to be in the chute the cattle are.

DAM, that's what I'm doing wrong. I suppose I'm not supposed to stick my head through the head gate and have them catch me either!
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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by wbvs58 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:55 pm

dun wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:
Tbrake wrote:
Glad I’m not the only one. Broke my Oakley sunglasses in half I was wearing on top of my head.


Your not supposed to be in the chute the cattle are.

DAM, that's what I'm doing wrong. I suppose I'm not supposed to stick my head through the head gate and have them catch me either!


The cows catch you???? Or is that how the wife restrains you?

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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by Farmgirl » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:38 pm

Dave wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:50 am
I have the side stopper. I have it set up where the cow is partially into the chute. It works well when I am working by myself. I can also flip it around so it isn't working depending on what I am doing and if I have help. I have worked in pens with the overhead ones. They work well but you have to adjust them to the size of cattle you are working. Too high and they won't hold smaller ones. Too low and taller ones don't want to go under it.
If you use the pipe method always stand facing the same way as the cow with the pipe in front of you. If a cow backs up suddenly before you get it secure it will just take the pipe away from you. I know of two people who were on the wrong side of the pipe. Cow backed up pulling the pipe into their leg, breaking their leg. A broken leg isn't as much fun as you might think
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What brand is your alley stop?

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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by ccr » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:54 pm

Dave wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:50 am
I have the side stopper. I have it set up where the cow is partially into the chute. It works well when I am working by myself. I can also flip it around so it isn't working depending on what I am doing and if I have help. I have worked in pens with the overhead ones. They work well but you have to adjust them to the size of cattle you are working. Too high and they won't hold smaller ones. Too low and taller ones don't want to go under it.
If you use the pipe method always stand facing the same way as the cow with the pipe in front of you. If a cow backs up suddenly before you get it secure it will just take the pipe away from you. I know of two people who were on the wrong side of the pipe. Cow backed up pulling the pipe into their leg, breaking their leg. A broken leg isn't as much fun as you might think
Dave that is some good advice there. never thought about it, but can see how it could happen.

only thing we have had close to a problem with using a pipe so far is that when there is a person on both sides of the alley and both go to put a pipe in to hold a cow. we have slots in solid metal sides of the alley to put the pipe in (upper and lower for cows or calves) and one day looking in the slot to see where to put the pipe, a pipe was coming from the other side toward my eye.
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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by greybeard » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:12 pm

I have worked in pens with the overhead ones. They work well but you have to adjust them to the size of cattle you are working. Too high and they won't hold smaller ones. Too low and taller ones don't want to go under it.
I have one of those..Preifert "No Back" they call it.
It works but as you say, it's a pain in the rear if working mixed size cattle.
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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by 76 Bar » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:21 am

If you use the pipe method always stand facing the same way as the cow with the pipe in front of you.
I got lucky and just had the wind knocked out of me. Lesson learned.

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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by SBMF 2015 » Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:21 am

Ebenezer wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:11 am
The overhead one way swing "flaps" are head knockers as some mentioned. Are the side flap types mentioned any better or have other disadvantages?
We had the "side flap" style in a alley calves would get there ribs past, and the animal ahead of them would back up. Forcing the second calf to be hooked by the ribs.
I took it out and use bars that can be pulled out when things don't go quite as planned.
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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by Ebenezer » Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:13 am

SBMF 2015 wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:21 am
Ebenezer wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:11 am
The overhead one way swing "flaps" are head knockers as some mentioned. Are the side flap types mentioned any better or have other disadvantages?
We had the "side flap" style in a alley calves would get there ribs past, and the animal ahead of them would back up. Forcing the second calf to be hooked by the ribs.
I took it out and use bars that can be pulled out when things don't go quite as planned.
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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by Farmgirl » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:25 pm

Bought the side flap style that filson makes. Works good but also have a chain on it to pull it out of the way at times. Alley stop is great for working solo. See it as a safety and convenience tool for the handler.

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Re: No back up or Alley stop

Post by greggy » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:09 pm

Dave wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:50 am
If you use the pipe method always stand facing the same way as the cow with the pipe in front of you. If a cow backs up suddenly before you get it secure it will just take the pipe away from you. I know of two people who were on the wrong side of the pipe. Cow backed up pulling the pipe into their leg, breaking their leg. A broken leg isn't as much fun as you might think
I am not sure if you mean inside the race, or pipe got them on outside.

But seems too many people are getting into an area where only the stock should be, even with real friendly animals, I would be keeping out of any confined space with them if possible, dont even stick arms through panels in a race if you can help it, lot of people get hurt doing things like that....

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