Winter intake and cow condition?

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Re: Winter intake and cow condition?

Post by TexasBred » Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:01 pm

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My baleage is closer to 60% dry matter, so suddenly the comparison between dry and baleage is much closer on a dry matter basis.
Closer, yes, but still more than double the moisture of most hay.


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Re: Winter intake and cow condition?

Post by Silver » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:17 pm

TexasBred wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:01 pm
Silver wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:34 am
My baleage is closer to 60% dry matter, so suddenly the comparison between dry and baleage is much closer on a dry matter basis.
Closer, yes, but still more than double the moisture of most hay.
Well, yes. So lets do a little math exercise.
1 dry bale @ 1,650 lbs, 15% moisture leaves 1,402 lbs dry matter. Less 10% wastage for outside 4" of bale stored outside leaves 1,261 lbs dry matter.
1 haylage bale @ 2,100 lbs 38% moisture leaves 1,302 lbs dry matter.

A lot of haylage is put up at 35% or less.
But it doesn't matter much. If you tinker with the moisture content of your baleage you don't change the dry matter fed per bale, only the weight.

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Re: Winter intake and cow condition?

Post by TexasBred » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:21 am

Silver wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:17 pm
TexasBred wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:01 pm
Silver wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:34 am
My baleage is closer to 60% dry matter, so suddenly the comparison between dry and baleage is much closer on a dry matter basis.
Closer, yes, but still more than double the moisture of most hay.
Well, yes. So lets do a little math exercise.
1 dry bale @ 1,650 lbs, 15% moisture leaves 1,402 lbs dry matter. Less 10% wastage for outside 4" of bale stored outside leaves 1,261 lbs dry matter.
1 haylage bale @ 2,100 lbs 38% moisture leaves 1,302 lbs dry matter.

A lot of haylage is put up at 35% or less.
But it doesn't matter much. If you tinker with the moisture content of your baleage you don't change the dry matter fed per bale, only the weight.
So you're saying 30 lbs. of 40% moisture hay has the same amount of dry matter as 30 lbs. of 15% moisture hay?? I think not. That rumen will only hold so much and it doesn't matter if it's dry matter or liquid.
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Re: Winter intake and cow condition?

Post by Silver » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:30 am

TexasBred wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:21 am
Silver wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:17 pm
TexasBred wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:01 pm


Closer, yes, but still more than double the moisture of most hay.
Well, yes. So lets do a little math exercise.
1 dry bale @ 1,650 lbs, 15% moisture leaves 1,402 lbs dry matter. Less 10% wastage for outside 4" of bale stored outside leaves 1,261 lbs dry matter.
1 haylage bale @ 2,100 lbs 38% moisture leaves 1,302 lbs dry matter.

A lot of haylage is put up at 35% or less.
But it doesn't matter much. If you tinker with the moisture content of your baleage you don't change the dry matter fed per bale, only the weight.
So you're saying 30 lbs. of 40% moisture hay has the same amount of dry matter as 30 lbs. of 15% moisture hay?? I think not. That rumen will only hold so much and it doesn't matter if it's dry matter or liquid.
That's not what I said at all. Not even close actually. Please take the time to review the math again.
As far as the old "what the rumen will hold argument", we all know a cow can consume 40 lbs of dry hay and then proceed to drink 10 gallons of water per day. So why would you not believe a cow could not consume 55 lbs of baleage and 8 gallons of water and fit it in the same rumen?

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Re: Winter intake and cow condition?

Post by TexasBred » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:36 am

Silver wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:30 am
TexasBred wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:21 am
Silver wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:17 pm


Well, yes. So lets do a little math exercise.
1 dry bale @ 1,650 lbs, 15% moisture leaves 1,402 lbs dry matter. Less 10% wastage for outside 4" of bale stored outside leaves 1,261 lbs dry matter.
1 haylage bale @ 2,100 lbs 38% moisture leaves 1,302 lbs dry matter.

A lot of haylage is put up at 35% or less.
But it doesn't matter much. If you tinker with the moisture content of your baleage you don't change the dry matter fed per bale, only the weight.
So you're saying 30 lbs. of 40% moisture hay has the same amount of dry matter as 30 lbs. of 15% moisture hay?? I think not. That rumen will only hold so much and it doesn't matter if it's dry matter or liquid.
That's not what I said at all. Not even close actually. Please take the time to review the math again.
As far as the old "what the rumen will hold argument", we all know a cow can consume 40 lbs of dry hay and then proceed to drink 10 gallons of water per day. So why would you not believe a cow could not consume 55 lbs of baleage and 8 gallons of water and fit it in the same rumen?
Ok buddy whatever you think. Actually a cow can consume 60 lbs. or more of dry matter and wash it down with 50 gallons of water in a days time. It just depends how you "figure" it. Best wishes. :tiphat:
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Re: Winter intake and cow condition?

Post by Silver » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:45 am

TexasBred wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:36 am
Silver wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:30 am
TexasBred wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:21 am


So you're saying 30 lbs. of 40% moisture hay has the same amount of dry matter as 30 lbs. of 15% moisture hay?? I think not. That rumen will only hold so much and it doesn't matter if it's dry matter or liquid.
That's not what I said at all. Not even close actually. Please take the time to review the math again.
As far as the old "what the rumen will hold argument", we all know a cow can consume 40 lbs of dry hay and then proceed to drink 10 gallons of water per day. So why would you not believe a cow could not consume 55 lbs of baleage and 8 gallons of water and fit it in the same rumen?
Ok buddy whatever you think. Actually a cow can consume 60 lbs. or more of dry matter and wash it down with 50 gallons of water in a days time. It just depends how you "figure" it. Best wishes. :tiphat:
Thanks. I'll keep bumbling along making my sole livelihood off these poor mistreated creatures despite my obvious lack of understanding and backwards ways.

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Re: Winter intake and cow condition?

Post by TexasBred » Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:08 pm

Silver wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:45 am
TexasBred wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:36 am
Silver wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:30 am


That's not what I said at all. Not even close actually. Please take the time to review the math again.
As far as the old "what the rumen will hold argument", we all know a cow can consume 40 lbs of dry hay and then proceed to drink 10 gallons of water per day. So why would you not believe a cow could not consume 55 lbs of baleage and 8 gallons of water and fit it in the same rumen?
Ok buddy whatever you think. Actually a cow can consume 60 lbs. or more of dry matter and wash it down with 50 gallons of water in a days time. It just depends how you "figure" it. Best wishes. :tiphat:
Thanks. I'll keep bumbling along making my sole livelihood off these poor mistreated creatures despite my obvious lack of understanding and backwards ways.
Pat yourself on the back while you're enjoying your pity party partner. Ain't worth the effort to try to help someone. Best Wishes.
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Re: Winter intake and cow condition?

Post by Stickney94 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:34 am

Stocker Steve wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:48 am
Have you noticed a difference in intake or cow condition when winter feeding baleage vs. dry hay of the "same quality"?
Difference in intake -- Yes
Difference in BCS -- No

Like others, this year I don't have comparable baleage and dry hay, but in 2016 & 2017 I did. Cows love the baleage. Eat it ridiculously fast. They ate the dry hay about half as fast. But they were in fine shape regardless, fat really.

The last two years my dry hay has been poor. So poor the cows are eating the cornstalks I put down for bedding instead. My new trick is to nest a baleage bale in the dregs of the poor hay bale to get them to clean that up. Half the time it works 100% of the time!! :D

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