Hay Profits

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Re: Hay Profits

Post by kenny thomas » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:11 pm

DCA farm wrote:
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Off topic a little bit but I had a guy call last night wanting 1000 rolls or big square bales to go to Wisconsin. If anyone has any extra and can load a tractor trailer PM me and I will give you his name and number.
It’s in Louisiana but gut says he has 7500 4x5 net wrapped barn kept 45 a roll
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That adds to the trucking but thanks I will send it to him.


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Re: Hay Profits

Post by sstterry » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:57 pm

I have a guy close to me (Greene County) that has 600 stored in the dry. If you want his number, I can send it to you.
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Re: Hay Profits

Post by kenny thomas » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:18 pm

sstterry wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:57 pm
I have a guy close to me (Greene County) that has 600. If you want his number, I can send it to you.
If it's inside yes send me the number.
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Re: Hay Profits

Post by BFE » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:13 am

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I had the best hay year of my life. I should get through winter on what I was able to put up (normally end up buying some). Averaged 9.5 4’x5’ rolls on my grass hay and 6 on my sorghum/sudan. All said and done, I have about $35 a roll in it. I would gladly buy hay, but it’s just not available in the quantity I need, nor is the quality of what’s available comparable to what I can put up. If my yield had been less, the price per roll would go up. I personally see no way to make money on selling rolls, not here anyway. A quality square bale goes for $6, but it’s seldom available. A man could make some money on square bales here.
That's the way it is here. Big round bales will fetch just about enough to cover costs in a normal year. Small squares can make some money, there's very few available and lots of weekend cowboys that don't have a tractor that provide a steady market.

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Re: Hay Profits

Post by polledbull » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:38 pm

4x5 roll will not weigh 1000lb, we bale over 1500 per year, bermuda grass 4x5 roll will weigh about 850lb if it is baled tight , we sale high quality hay for $40 per roll, we sell about 5000 square bales per year out of the feild for $4 and you load it ,

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Re: Hay Profits

Post by kenny thomas » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:14 pm

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4x5 roll will not weigh 1000lb, we bale over 1500 per year, bermuda grass 4x5 roll will weigh about 850lb if it is baled tight , we sale high quality hay for $40 per roll, we sell about 5000 square bales per year out of the feild for $4 and you load it ,
I weighed 4x5 rolls from 3 different rollers last year. All 3 were rollers we're almost new. Rolls were from 700 to 1000 ln. I feel you are correct, most will weigh 700-800
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Re: Hay Profits

Post by farmerjan » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:26 pm

We figure in the 800 lb range for 4x5's and 1000 or more for the 5x5.5 and 5x6's. We pack the 5 bys tight as we can. The 4x5's are net wrapped, the 5 bys are string. We do not use plastic string either, net wrap is plastic, the "big bales" are sisal twine.

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Re: Hay Profits

Post by kenny thomas » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:48 pm

Weighing the rolls will usually surprise most producers.
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Re: Hay Profits

Post by Silver » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:31 pm

Crop insurance weighs some bales at our place every year to keep track of production. Hay bales generally a little ove 1700 lbs, silage bales usually a little over a ton, but that can swing either way depending on moisture.

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Re: Hay Profits

Post by Caustic Burno » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:51 am

kenny thomas wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:48 pm
Weighing the rolls will usually surprise most producers.
Weigh a sampling of mine every year, it’s not near as much about size as density. It’s the only way to know actually how much tonnage of feed you bought and price per ton.
Weight can have huge variations in X size bale. I have seen good tight bales range from 860 to 960 depending on cutting time and the amount of legumes in the bale. Legumes weigh more than grass here and certain varieties of grass weigh more than others. I always want the first fertilized cutting here that has the highest legume content.
Mine average right at 900 on a 4x5, they are packed tight. Some of last years went a little over as the baler was out of calibration and making a 62” bale.
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Re: Hay Profits

Post by tom4018 » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:33 am

To me $60 an acre on fertilizer seems a little low, depends on the soils needs. I averaged about $85-90 an acre, which was $14-15 per 4x5 roll. Although some of that ground got grazed after second cutting.

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Re: Hay Profits

Post by kenny thomas » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:07 am

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To me $60 an acre on fertilizer seems a little low, depends on the soils needs. I averaged about $85-90 an acre, which was $14-15 per 4x5 roll. Although some of that ground got grazed after second cutting.
Tom, at 450 a ton 100 lb of fertilizer costs 22.50. So are you using 400 lb per acre or am I figuring it wrong? I bought some excellent net wrapped 3rd cutting this fall for $27 delivered to my barn. I'm trying to decide if it's not cheaper to buy it next year.
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Re: Hay Profits

Post by farmerjan » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:37 am

It has figured to be cheaper here to buy hay than make it, more often than not. The only problem with that is if it is a dry year, then it can be hard to find, or cost way too much. We already have the equipment, all paid for except the discbine and the one tractor but we use that tractor for everything so can't charge the cost just against the hay making. Plus, several of the rented places have both fenced pasture and unfenced hay fields. Most of the unfenced are where there is no available water either, so it's not like we could turn them into pasture with some electric. We often will buy hay if someone calls and offers it to us for a real deal type price. You never know when you are going to need extra to get you through. Or we will buy it and then if someone asks us down the road if we have any to sell, then we have some reserve to be able to sell some.

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Re: Hay Profits

Post by tom4018 » Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:22 am

kenny thomas wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:07 am
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To me $60 an acre on fertilizer seems a little low, depends on the soils needs. I averaged about $85-90 an acre, which was $14-15 per 4x5 roll. Although some of that ground got grazed after second cutting.
Tom, at 450 a ton 100 lb of fertilizer costs 22.50. So are you using 400 lb per acre or am I figuring it wrong? I bought some excellent net wrapped 3rd cutting this fall for $27 delivered to my barn. I'm trying to decide if it's not cheaper to buy it next year.
Mine usually gets 2 tons of chicken litter in the fall, top dress with some urea in the spring and then sometimes a little fertilizer after first cutting. We adjust it yearly based on soil tests.

Are you figuring 19-19-19 at that price? Taking hay off the ground would pull out a lot of nutrients. They say a ton of grass hay takes about 53 pound of potash. Would not take long to run the ground done without adding it back.

I figure I have $25 a roll in mine by the time it is stacked, probably not counting much of my labor, it is just me and maybe wife or daughter helps haul. Around here you can buy some average hay just as cheap but hauling and quality are an issue.

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Re: Hay Profits

Post by Stocker Steve » Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:43 am

Hay used to be sold way below cost here by small semi retired dairy farmers. Many of them have sold out and/or died in the last couple years. Their high land is usually picked up by weekend grain farmers. These guys have day jobs and no time to check and ted and rake hay. Meanwhile the deer hunters keep buying up meadows and planting trees in them. So the number of cows in the area is going down, and the amount of hay made is going down faster.

I know cow/calf producers can not afford to pay full cost for hay. Hobby farms and pet horse owners can. Profit is mostly marketing, again.
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