AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT FOR DRY HAY SIDE BALE WRAP

Discuss grasses and how to grow and harvest them.
Post Reply
Derfsetag
Beginner
Beginner
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:47 pm

AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT FOR DRY HAY SIDE BALE WRAP

Post by Derfsetag » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:00 pm

AUTOMATED DRY HAY SIDE ONLY WRAPPED BALES – After reading messages on benefits of side baling separate single bales with black wrap where outside storage is a must, I am amazed at the lack of options with current in-cab single person handling being offered for one man operation. Handle = cost, so single tractor automated pickup and wrap is the goal. SRBeef recently advised he used Anderson In-line wrapper IFX720 with 4 stretchers which appears beyond cost effective albeit does a wonderful job. Have found several older versions in Vermeer backup trailer and Unverferth Roundabout that do the job albeit needing two persons to get the job done efficiently. Mr. Les Vough (UofMD,Ret) research found that UK has a Scottish automated Wrapcide CW-01 that I have yet to see anywhere in USA.
See: frontmachinery website.
So what are the stateside wrap equipment producer options available designed for pickup, carry of single bale side wrapping? It would seem like after pickup, the Tanco S-100 should be able to handle side only with a 90 degree shift in plastic feed arm as the bale rotates. Blogs raise the need, why no automated machines allowing pickup and wrap on carry to side field storage? Seems like some equipment should meet this need here in the states? Options worth look-see appreciated? Any hope on horizon by manufacturers? Anxious to learn what better minds might suggest.



hurleyjd
GURU
GURU
Posts: 4748
Joined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:52 am
Location: Yantis, Texas
Has thanked: 51 times
Been thanked: 247 times

Re: AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT FOR DRY HAY SIDE BALE WRAP

Post by hurleyjd » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:03 am

Derfsetag wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:00 pm
AUTOMATED DRY HAY SIDE ONLY WRAPPED BALES – After reading messages on benefits of side baling separate single bales with black wrap where outside storage is a must, I am amazed at the lack of options with current in-cab single person handling being offered for one man operation. Handle = cost, so single tractor automated pickup and wrap is the goal. SRBeef recently advised he used Anderson In-line wrapper IFX720 with 4 stretchers which appears beyond cost effective albeit does a wonderful job. Have found several older versions in Vermeer backup trailer and Unverferth Roundabout that do the job albeit needing two persons to get the job done efficiently. Mr. Les Vough (UofMD,Ret) research found that UK has a Scottish automated Wrapcide CW-01 that I have yet to see anywhere in USA.
See: frontmachinery website.
So what are the stateside wrap equipment producer options available designed for pickup, carry of single bale side wrapping? It would seem like after pickup, the Tanco S-100 should be able to handle side only with a 90 degree shift in plastic feed arm as the bale rotates. Blogs raise the need, why no automated machines allowing pickup and wrap on carry to side field storage? Seems like some equipment should meet this need here in the states? Options worth look-see appreciated? Any hope on horizon by manufacturers? Anxious to learn what better minds might suggest.
A person could build a hay barn big enough for 5000 round bales for a fraction of what that machine would cost. Great for putting the plastic on but could be a real beech taking the plastic off to feed.

Derfsetag
Beginner
Beginner
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:47 pm

Re: AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT FOR DRY HAY SIDE BALE WRAP

Post by Derfsetag » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:01 am

SRBeef doing side wrapping seems to say removal not so difficult. Hay sellers suffer from weather and yearly demands not like those with cattle having known annual use demand. So yearly carryover varies for sellers. Hay move into and out for new crop is more handling = cost with still no protections if moved out. Often haymaking is stored on lands of others where made without option of building structures you suggest. Although you are economically right for a segment of hay baling (probably the largest) others can benefit from single side wrap protection. I would agree that the Frontmachinery unit is expensive and that is the reason I posted to learn of others who have been more successful at side wrapping at less expense. The fact that it was created (merits on site) shows a worldwide need for a stateside unit that would do the job automatically (one person) but economically. Hopefully some reader may shed light on an option I have yet to find. Thanks to all for any input.

WFfarm
Cowhand
Cowhand
Posts: 66
Joined: Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:20 am
Location: Weastern NY
Has thanked: 21 times
Been thanked: 25 times

Re: AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT FOR DRY HAY SIDE BALE WRAP

Post by WFfarm » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:36 pm

That's a sweet looking machine, wish it was available around here. Ours is a two man job and you have to get square and centered on the bale or the tractor hops around.

Image

Derfsetag
Beginner
Beginner
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:47 pm

Re: AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT FOR DRY HAY SIDE BALE WRAP

Post by Derfsetag » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:59 pm

WFfarm - That looks like a Unverferth Roundabout Wrapper. Not sure still made? Still climbing down and up for use every bale by single operator might make for some leg cramps. Another source mentioned JD B-wrap which is breathable mostly shown as used in JD balers with some changes, using both net wrap and B-wrap combined to get the job done. Not sure what the cost but YT vids clearly make the case for value of use. Open source black wrap seems the better cost for a cover. Your comment on use is of interest. When was this wrapper purchased new? Thanks for sharing.

WFfarm
Cowhand
Cowhand
Posts: 66
Joined: Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:20 am
Location: Weastern NY
Has thanked: 21 times
Been thanked: 25 times

Re: AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT FOR DRY HAY SIDE BALE WRAP

Post by WFfarm » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:35 pm

Derfsetag- it's a Hay Wrap, Inc. Bought it used on Craigslist for under $1k this summer. Tried calling the number on the unit and they must be out of business. Pretty heavy duty. It looks alot like the Unverferth. They may have bought the Hay Wrap design. Our local JD dealer quoted me a new Unverferth for $4700.

The B-wrap from John Deere cost $8/bale more than standard net wrap. Plus, I would need to buy a new baler for $35-40k. Building a pole barn would be cheaper than the JD B-wrap.

Derfsetag
Beginner
Beginner
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:47 pm

Re: AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT FOR DRY HAY SIDE BALE WRAP

Post by Derfsetag » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:03 pm

WFfarm - Ditto on JD B-wrap assessment. Simply a no-go for return. What is so obvious to me is that the equipment available for front loader euro-attachments that picks up and rotates a bale is so close to doing single bale side wraps but doesn't, is a crying shame. There must be five manufacturer's out there making these lift & carry rotating while wrapping that also work off 3Pt rear for dual squeeze front carry to storage and none allow side only wrap. Unbelievable! All they would have to do is swing their wrapping arm(s) to a stationary 90 degree side feed (if that is even necessary - could just swing down) and allow the rotating bale arms the bale rests on to do the rotation with no armature gears to wear out. Same end of wrap trimmers. Two arms, one on both sides. 95% of the machine is already there. Should be cheaper to make and service. My welder's heart wants to ask them "what are you thinking, for such an easy adaptation?" to do what JD knows is a valid demand to R&D then lay on a patent and high expense for outside weather prep? Obviously not the big market of full wrappers but a valid one for a much more simple machine well worth the revision need. Come on USA innovation before China again takes over another opportunity!!!

Derfsetag
Beginner
Beginner
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:47 pm

Re: AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT FOR DRY HAY SIDE BALE WRAP

Post by Derfsetag » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:35 am

All - So my emails to Frontmachinery in Scotland responded to by a John Johnson states that the Wrapcide CW-01 is not yet produced, will likely be built in Scotland and shipped as a kit internationally after seeing strong response from YT video of unit working. No timeline stated. Coming up with an idea prototype and manufacturing dependable units through an International network is a long and costly hurdle from scratch. We are talking decades or years of hard work. So not seeing this option ahead. Could an obvious answer be to use the total wrap and cut out the ends? Would the sides coverage even stay on? Weather blow off everywhere likely? Still this seems like a poor solution for sweat release side bale only coverage with the rotation for side arm wrap feed already happening on a half dozen models being made now but doing only full wrap? Maybe some USA welder could devise a conversion kit armature for one of the total wrap models being made that would get this simple need done after bale pickup off 3PT hitch? Anyone see this automated pick up side wrap to field storage need? Extra handling of inline baler for wrap would be circumvented. So far the old non-auto Roundabout & Vermeer are all been able to find?

Derfsetag
Beginner
Beginner
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:47 pm

Re: AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT FOR DRY HAY SIDE BALE WRAP

Post by Derfsetag » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:43 pm

Update - SRBeef mentioned above as using an inline wrapper replied to my PM that he is not side wrapping single bales but multi-bales stored in line and then cutting them separate on use. This is different from the placing space between bales stored for sweat breathing. Farm auction yesterday had an Anderson RB9000 that went for 13K$. Did not see how it could complete a single separate bale. Interestingly adjacent inline bales nearby the auction were only this years and barely used so far, with unwrapped weathered bales discarded to side. So search is still on for automated pickup and side wrap only bale wrapper for some of our twine wrapped dry hay. Some customers voiced not wanting to deal with the plastic, so sales choice demand is partial, at least initially. When they see the difference in protection of side wrapping, they may change their preference. Hate to have to go the customizing route......again!!!

Post Reply