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Post by HDRider » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:30 am

I have read many threads here debating cow size, and profitability. I know some seed stock folks are fanning the argument, obviously for business reasons.

My last issue of Delta Farm Press had a good article, and quoted a couple of studies on cow size and profitability.

It falls in line with smaller cows being more profitable IF you push your carrying capacity to its limit.

Anyway, I am not trying to argue the point. We all do what fits our operation. I just thought I would share it.

https://www.farmprogress.com/cow-calf/w ... rofit-acre


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Re: Small, Medium or Large

Post by HDRider » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:34 am

This is the study that the article is based on.

http://www.wyoextension.org/agpubs/pubs ... ze_web.pdf

Beef Cow Size: industry trends, economics, and implications for grazing Wyoming rangelands
Publication #: B-1343
Date Published: 05/17/2019

Publication Author(s):
John Derek Scasta
Dallas Mount
Blake Hauptman
Tamarah Jorns
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Post by HDRider » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:35 am

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Re: Small, Medium or Large

Post by Aaron » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:10 am

Those feed costs are horrifying, I don't care if it's big or small cows. Must expect a guy buys a brand new piece of hay equipment every 5 years, not 40.

Makes me feel pretty good about my security in the cow world anyways - if those numbers are supposed to represent the norm.
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Re: Small, Medium or Large

Post by Nesikep » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:16 am

Aaron wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:10 am
Those feed costs are horrifying, I don't care if it's big or small cows. Must expect a guy buys a brand new piece of hay equipment every 5 years, not 40.

Makes me feel pretty good about my security in the cow world anyways - if those numbers are supposed to represent the norm.
1400 lbs isn't really a big cow... I call them big cows over 1600 (only have 2 of them left)
I buy a 40 year old piece of equipment every 20 years!

I found 12-1400 lbs mature weight a pretty nice size for me, they make great calves, don't have to get too fussy about what bull you use, and the buyers like the calves.. they'll put some frame on for them. Also, the price differences between large and small calves is going to change year over year.. in years where feed is expensive, buyers will prefer the bigger calves.. I don't know the pricing splits the model used
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Re: Small, Medium or Large

Post by skyhightree1 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:02 pm

HDRider wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:30 am
I have read many threads here debating cow size, and profitability. I know some seed stock folks are fanning the argument, obviously for business reasons.

My last issue of Delta Farm Press had a good article, and quoted a couple of studies on cow size and profitability.

It falls in line with smaller cows being more profitable IF you push your carrying capacity to its limit.

Anyway, I am not trying to argue the point. We all do what fits our operation. I just thought I would share it.

https://www.farmprogress.com/cow-calf/w ... rofit-acre
I like small to medium sized only those others just eat too dag gone much for no reason
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Re: Small, Medium or Large

Post by JParrott » Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:27 pm

Sounds about right to me. Smaller cows (1000-1200 lbs) with reasonable calving ability can pencil out the best financially. They eat less and therefore more head can be kept per acre / feed unit. More cows *should* equal more calves sold with the same or less input into feed.

I agree that it's what fits your desires and operations. One of the best cows we've got is a little black baldy that milks herself to death raising her calf. She can't weight much over 1000 lbs. This years calf out of her is almost as big as she is already at seven-ish months. On the other hand, my Dad really likes big old Charolais snowballs that weigh 14-1600 lbs easy. So far they raise a good calf too, but they eat a lot more than the little old black baldy and their calves don't bring a higher price to make up for it.

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