No Till Grass Seed

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No Till Grass Seed

Post by CreekAngus » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:59 pm

Yesterday we locked up a rental (barn and pasture), there is a 10 acre pasture that has been over grazed and hasn’t seen a speck of fertilizer in years. On my own place I screw around every year, broadcasting oats and peas and then discing it, but this will be my first venture in no till. Got a few questions, how many pounds of seed to the acre, will be planting oats (maybe triticale), perennial rye and orchard grass. What are folk’s experience with no tilling grass? Good, bad or just plain ugly. I’m not willing to rip the entire place and put in a new seeding, being rented and all.


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Re: No Till Grass Seed

Post by wbvs58 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:09 am

I do an annual rye every autumn at 20kg/Ha (44lb to 2.5acres). Usually do some clovers in the small seed box as well. Some areas go better than others but if conditions are favourable you can start to see the green rows after about 3 weeks. It goes best in early spring if we get some rain.

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Re: No Till Grass Seed

Post by 1982vett » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:34 am

Down here, I'd no-till 50lbs of oats, hit it with fertilizer, hope it rains and stand back....down here.
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Re: No Till Grass Seed

Post by CreekAngus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:39 am

1982vett wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:34 am
Down here, I'd no-till 50lbs of oats, hit it with fertilizer, hope it rains and stand back....down here.
I'm assuming that is 50lbs to the acre.
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Re: No Till Grass Seed

Post by Brookhill Angus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:08 pm

I broadcast a pasture mix this year ahead of a heavy rain, also ran a chain harrow over it before seeding and after. The results have been excellent. I've overstocked them to a high degree, and it keeps coming back after each rain, with virtually no break in the grazing. I planted around 25-30 pounds to the acre. The mix had Timothy, Orchard, Ryegrass, red clover, and low endophyte Fescue. There was more on the label, but not sure off the top of my head. I was really pleased with the results however.

BR and TT saw the pasture, it's not up to Ron's standards, but I'm running a lot of cattle per acre and it's working.
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Re: No Till Grass Seed

Post by ClinchValley86 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:44 pm

1982vett wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:34 am
Down here, I'd no-till 50lbs of oats, hit it with fertilizer, hope it rains and stand back....down here.
Do the perennials show any negative the following growing season? Oats survive winter?

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Re: No Till Grass Seed

Post by 1982vett » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:46 pm

CreekAngus wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:39 am
1982vett wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:34 am
Down here, I'd no-till 50lbs of oats, hit it with fertilizer, hope it rains and stand back....down here.
I'm assuming that is 50lbs to the acre.
yup
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Re: No Till Grass Seed

Post by 1982vett » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:51 pm

ClinchValley86 wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:44 pm
1982vett wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:34 am
Down here, I'd no-till 50lbs of oats, hit it with fertilizer, hope it rains and stand back....down here.
Do the perennials show any negative the following growing season? Oats survive winter?
Oats survive winter just find here. Guess the negative is they are done for by middle of May. Some try to double crop and plant haygrazer behind the oats. Hasn't worked all that well recently but it is working this year. I quit trying that 20 years ago. Rain isn't regular enough.
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Re: No Till Grass Seed

Post by Ebenezer » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:19 pm

No till works fine. You need to balance out the # seeds in a blend. Some just decrease pounds per selection and some do a # seed/pound of each species to get a desired # seed per sq. ft. The big deal is the total price of seeds per acre. If the soil is poor the seeds will be a partial waste of effort.

Perennials: you are adding some so they will either contribute or hurt what is there.

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Re: No Till Grass Seed

Post by Dave » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:40 pm

When I was still working over there I saw a number of No till seedings. Some worked great. Others not so much. Weather and competition from the existing plants are probably the biggest factors in success. I wouldn't go heavy on the oats as they will become competition for the grass you are trying to establish. The perennial rye grass should do well. Orchard does not establish easily so the competition factor would be a concern to me.

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Re: No Till Grass Seed

Post by Stocker Steve » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:19 pm

Depends on variety and weather and seedbed. Usually not so great results into sod unless it is dormant. That is why some people burn existing stand down and/or till.

There is data on the web for broadcast seed germ by variety. Rye & rye crosses were number one, OG was number two.

Think about clover in the mix.
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Re: No Till Grass Seed

Post by CreekAngus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:31 pm

Stocker Steve wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:19 pm
Depends on variety and weather and seedbed. Usually not so great results into sod unless it is dormant. That is why some people burn existing stand down and/or till.

There is data on the web for broadcast seed germ by variety. Rye & rye crosses were number one, OG was number two.

Think about clover in the mix.
I’m keeping clover out of the mix, because I will spray for weeds next year and more than likely the following as well. There is another pasture, I’m going to sacrifice this year, allow the cows to tear it up over winter and then go in and plant berseem.
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Re: No Till Grass Seed

Post by Brookhill Angus » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:38 am

CreekAngus wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:31 pm
Stocker Steve wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:19 pm
Depends on variety and weather and seedbed. Usually not so great results into sod unless it is dormant. That is why some people burn existing stand down and/or till.

There is data on the web for broadcast seed germ by variety. Rye & rye crosses were number one, OG was number two.

Think about clover in the mix.
I’m keeping clover out of the mix, because I will spray for weeds next year and more than likely the following as well. There is another pasture, I’m going to sacrifice this year, allow the cows to tear it up over winter and then go in and plant berseem.
Why would you not want clover? It’s excellent for the soil and cattle get very fat on a good stand of clover. It’s the gift that keeps on giving.
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Re: No Till Grass Seed

Post by Nesikep » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:45 am

And clover seed isn't very expensive either.
If you're going to do it very soon, some crimson clover (annual) would grow well this year and be good food, otherwise I'd throw 5lb/ac of double cut red clover into it.

Weeds tend to come up when there's open spaces, depending on how bad the type of weed you're dealing with you might be better off with some weeds and the higher nutrition of some legumes in there.

I usually do about 50 lb/ac oats as well.
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Re: No Till Grass Seed

Post by 1982vett » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:19 am

Brookhill Angus wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:38 am
CreekAngus wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:31 pm
Stocker Steve wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:19 pm
Depends on variety and weather and seedbed. Usually not so great results into sod unless it is dormant. That is why some people burn existing stand down and/or till.

There is data on the web for broadcast seed germ by variety. Rye & rye crosses were number one, OG was number two.

Think about clover in the mix.
I’m keeping clover out of the mix, because I will spray for weeds next year and more than likely the following as well. There is another pasture, I’m going to sacrifice this year, allow the cows to tear it up over winter and then go in and plant berseem.
Why would you not want clover? It’s excellent for the soil and cattle get very fat on a good stand of clover. It’s the gift that keeps on giving.
Didn’t you learn anything at all watching yellowstone last night? :lol: A couple mouths full will kill em DEAD! Gotta burn the range sos it don’t come up in the spring and kill more. :nod:
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