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Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:28 am
by sassafras manor
Aside from getting a larger tractor are there any worthwhile options for haying equipment for a 30 horse engine/25 horse pto tractor? Thanks again

Re: Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:37 am
by Caustic Burno
I know a guy that’s pulls a 3x3 round baler. Sells the fire out of the hay to horse people.
Looks like a total waste of a lot of labor and time IMO. He paid almost the cost of a Vermeer Rebel for it.

Re: Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:00 am
by sassafras manor
Do you happen to know what brand it is? Also aside from a sickle bar are there any viable mower conditioners that can be operated at a lower horsepower? I have 5-7 Acres at my place and then another 8 Acres at the greenhouse that it would be nice to have baled on time instead of waiting for my custom baler. Thanks

Re: Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:16 am
by hurleyjd
You might review the equipment for small farm operations. I would look at the baler that has net wrap and bales a 4x4. Also keep the tractor you have and buy one with more HP. Maybe 40 to 50. Everyone needs more than one tractor.

Re: Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:33 am
by sassafras manor
That's the thing, I have the finances to either buy equipment to fit my current tractor or sell it and buy a larger used tractor and hay equipment to match its size. Unfortunately I can't do both.

Re: Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:55 am
by Caustic Burno
sassafras manor wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:00 am
Do you happen to know what brand it is? Also aside from a sickle bar are there any viable mower conditioners that can be operated at a lower horsepower? I have 5-7 Acres at my place and then another 8 Acres at the greenhouse that it would be nice to have baled on time instead of waiting for my custom baler. Thanks
No I don’t know the brand. It’s green that much I know.

Re: Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:24 pm
by Nesikep
For a cutter, a sicklebar mower, something like a NH472, 7' cut with conditioner rolls should be alright if you don't have too high hay or too steep hills, we did 50 acres with one of those behind a 28hp JD950 (Yanmar).
If you can find an old New Holland baler with it's own engine, that would be good.. Something like this

Re: Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:43 pm
by 1982vett
Don’t need a bunch of big expensive equipment for 15 acres between two places. A #5 JD sickle mower (if you could still find one setting up some where.....like here...). A 258 New Holland rake and a 326 or 336 John Deere square baler will get the job done. But unhindered financials.....go for it.

Re: Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:53 pm
by Bigfoot
I'm afraid your on the wrong side of the law of diminishing marginal returns. It would be cheaper for you to buy hay.

Re: Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:30 pm
by Dave
Bigfoot wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:53 pm
I'm afraid your on the wrong side of the law of diminishing marginal returns. It would be cheaper for you to buy hay.
X2, Took the words out of my mouth.

Re: Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:29 pm
by sassafras manor
Ok, I will take the bait and ask what kind of acreage does a person need to cut, rake and bale to justify the expense?

Re: Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:07 pm
by kentuckyguy
I pulled a new holland 66 quite a bit with a 36hp tractor but the key is weight. If its a light tractor the baler will beat it to death if your baling much hay.

Your only option for cutting would be a sickle mower or one of the small drum mowers built for compact tractors although I’d imagine they are still a little too heavy.

Re: Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:04 am
by CreekAngus
Nesikep wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:24 pm
For a cutter, a sicklebar mower, something like a NH472, 7' cut with conditioner rolls should be alright if you don't have too high hay or too steep hills, we did 50 acres with one of those behind a 28hp JD950 (Yanmar).
If you can find an old New Holland baler with it's own engine, that would be good.. Something like this
My Dad had a 420 with Wisconsin on it, dragged it around with a Farmall 100. Look around you might be able to find a self propelled swather on the cheap and an old basket rake.

Re: Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:56 am
by Nesikep
Here's the tractor we used for years.. was it undersized? certainly, but it did it.. Sold it at 5500 hours because we knew if we kept it up the transmission was going to die, Engine was perfect though
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Re: Haying equipment suggestions for 25 horsepower pto

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:36 am
by Texasmark
Small Farm Innovations in Caldwell, Tx. sells a small round baler that may be available at a dealer closer to you.
Add a Drum Mower for a great cutter at a great price; several models available....I now prefer Tar River which comes out of the Carolinas but I bought mine from a dealer in Kansas and had it drop shipped to me from NC.
Then a JD 500 or 600 series tricycle roller bar, side discharge or whatever the local name, is a super rake and is easily pulled by just about anything.

You can pickup with a hay dolly, a pull behind (any vehicle) device with 2 DOT approved highway tires type thing to transport the bale, or get yourself a 3 pt hay spear and transport it with your baling tractor. If you have a Front End Loader, get a spear for it which is the easiest way to move them. A 25 hp FEL will be more than plenty to transport those small bales.

Walla.....you are in the haying business.

Later on you can add a "tedder", 2 basket from ASC also out of the Carolinas for spreading clumps of hay where you are baling irregularly shaped fields and wind up with clumping. The tedder just scatters the hay allowing more contact with the environment for quick, uniform drying. Really a necessity if you hay in weather challenging areas.