Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

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Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by dvcochran » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:49 pm

Our first cut was just a little off pace for yield from the last two years and the second cut is looking downright poor. The grass coming back looks good but it is seems to be growing back slow. It is grass hay, fescue, orchard grass, timothy, and clover. The fescue is not coming back at all. I soil sampled and everything was in range with the exception of lime that is actually high at 8.0-8.5. I have not done a forage sample but seen nothing to expect big changes from years past.
Temperatures in Tennessee will be in the 90's for the high now through the end of August. I would love to put down some coated urea or similar product but I think it will also flash off unless I spread it in the rain, which I am seriously considering.
Are there other options that work well this time of year in my area to give grass hay a kick?



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Re: Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by Hootowl » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:31 pm

If it's available there liquid Nitrogen.
But fescue and cool season grasses won't come back much until fall when it cools down.
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Re: Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by Caustic Burno » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:02 am

Hootowl wrote:
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If it's available there liquid Nitrogen.
But fescue and cool season grasses won't come back much until fall when it cools down.
Calcium nitrate if you have a big enough Ag sprayer. It’s fairly cheap it’s water soluble. I would have to research the pounds per acre being a foliage spray it’s lower than broadcast. Doesn’t last as long as broadcast.
Recently sprayed this field with 20 pounds per acre, I couldn’t get the fertilizer buggy in this pasture.


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Re: Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by hillbilly beef man » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:12 am

Anyone ever try aluminum sulfate? That is what our local co-op recommends for stockpiling fescue. It is $340 a ton for 24-0-0
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Re: Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by Stocker Steve » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:44 am

Need to align fertilizer application with growth periods. Standard cool season grass advice in the upper midwest is 60 to 70% in the spring and the rest in the fall. Fall here usually starts in early August.

Some wait for the first good rain in August and then broadcast granules. Others spread compost after the first cutting. Compost does not flash.
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Re: Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by Ebenezer » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:49 am

hillbilly beef man wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:12 am
Anyone ever try aluminum sulfate? That is what our local co-op recommends for stockpiling fescue. It is $340 a ton for 24-0-0
It will drop your pH. For every pound of AS you use will require 7 pounds of ag lime to retain the same pH. But timing of fertilizer is key as others said.

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Re: Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by callmefence » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:57 am

Agrotain treated urea
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Re: Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by Caustic Burno » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:59 am

Ebenezer wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:49 am
hillbilly beef man wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:12 am
Anyone ever try aluminum sulfate? That is what our local co-op recommends for stockpiling fescue. It is $340 a ton for 24-0-0
It will drop your pH. For every pound of AS you use will require 7 pounds of ag lime to retain the same pH. But timing of fertilizer is key as others said.
Calcium Nitrate won’t drop ph actually increases it.
Being it’s a foliar spray it can still be beneficial sprayed at daylight.
It is not as effective as broadcast sometimes that’s impossible like my case this year.
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Re: Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by Ebenezer » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:23 am

Caustic Burno wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:59 am
Ebenezer wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:49 am
hillbilly beef man wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:12 am
Anyone ever try aluminum sulfate? That is what our local co-op recommends for stockpiling fescue. It is $340 a ton for 24-0-0
It will drop your pH. For every pound of AS you use will require 7 pounds of ag lime to retain the same pH. But timing of fertilizer is key as others said.
Calcium Nitrate won’t drop ph actually increases it.
Being it’s a foliar spray it can still be beneficial sprayed at daylight.
It is not as effective as broadcast sometimes that’s impossible like my case this year.
Cal Nitrate has plant effects for about 15 days and is high as the devil in costs for equivalent fertility here. But it is great stuff especially for vegetables. I personally thing Ag got a kick in the gut when Amm. Nitrate got over regulated due to the OK bombing incident. Nothing like punishing the innocent. It really matched to pasture growth better and was less acidic.

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Re: Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by Caustic Burno » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:04 am

It’s not the cost that has me, it’s too wet to get a fertilizer buggy in.
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Re: Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by Dave » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:14 am

Caustic Burno wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:59 am
Ebenezer wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:49 am
hillbilly beef man wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:12 am
Anyone ever try aluminum sulfate? That is what our local co-op recommends for stockpiling fescue. It is $340 a ton for 24-0-0
It will drop your pH. For every pound of AS you use will require 7 pounds of ag lime to retain the same pH. But timing of fertilizer is key as others said.
Calcium Nitrate won’t drop ph actually increases it.
Being it’s a foliar spray it can still be beneficial sprayed at daylight.
It is not as effective as broadcast sometimes that’s impossible like my case this year.
The ammonium sulfate would be good. Yes it would cause the pH to drop but the OP said the pH was 8.0-8.5 which is too high. Cool season grasses like it best a touch to the acid side of neutral. Between 6.0 and 7.0. With a pH in the 8 range I sure wouldn't spread anything with calcium.

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Re: Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by cowrancher75 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:16 am

sulfur coated urea will not go anywhere until the rain dissolves it.

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Re: Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by dvcochran » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:13 pm

Stocker Steve wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:44 am
Need to align fertilizer application with growth periods. Standard cool season grass advice in the upper midwest is 60 to 70% in the spring and the rest in the fall. Fall here usually starts in early August.

Some wait for the first good rain in August and then broadcast granules. Others spread compost after the first cutting. Compost does not flash.
Yes, that is our normal procedure. We have already done our spring application of 55-30-45. The grass is not coming back as well as usual and wondered what others have done.
We will lime and fertilize in the fall.

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Re: Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by dvcochran » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:15 pm

callmefence wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:57 am
Agrotain treated urea
We have a coated urea source but says it will flash if not rained on in a 24 hour period. That works for you in TX?

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Re: Is there an additive/fertilizer that will not flash off ths time of year?

Post by Stocker Steve » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:19 pm

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Yes, that is our normal procedure. We have already done our spring application of 55-30-45. The grass is not coming back as well as usual and wondered what others have done.
We will lime and fertilize in the fall.
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For grass you mostly need N. Not sure where your spring blend comes from? Looks expensive.

Most N is gone in 30 days. Also a big several inch rainfall leaches N and S immediately. Ether way, chemical N is soon gone. :cry2: That is why the better corn farmers apply dress N several times per season.

But you need water for N to work, and forage grass does not like heat like corn grass. Thus the spring fall split ap, unless you are spreading compost.
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