Fix this worn out pasture?

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Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by CrzyOldMan » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:45 pm

Just bought small 26 acre farm in hills of Kentucky. Former owner did nothing last several years but lease it for hay, they cut and never limed or fertilized. In 2018 they didn't cut the hay and it has been fallow. I just bush hogged it. It's mostly broomsage, and briars, but some fescue and occasional clover. Waiting for the soil test and I'm sure it will need lime, but then what? What should I seed? Leave it fallow another year? Mow it a couple times this year? It has no fence so I planned on spending this year fencing and cleaning the place up anyway.



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Re: Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by Ebenezer » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:49 pm

Takes about 6 months for the limestone to begin to affect the soil. So, not a rush there on expensive seeds. Briers would either be a choice of spot spray or total spray. I would wait at least 3 months between limestone application and any fertilizer application from what I have read about the binding process of the two too close together.

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Re: Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by T & B farms » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:59 pm

If you have any in your area, and it’s in a place you won’t choke out any neighbors look into chicken litter for your p and k. Around here it’s really not much cheaper and it’s a pain to spread, but it really does seem to be good for the pastures.
I would put it on every farm field and pasture if it wasn’t for my neighbors. You would find me hanging in a tree if I were to spread some spots.

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Re: Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by littletom » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:38 pm

I would try to add to what you have. I would keep the fescue not spray it down. Probably start with getting the ph right and drill more fescue in it.

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Re: Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by Midtenn » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:33 pm

You'd be surprised what regular bush hogging can do. Spray with remedy, pasture guard, or chapperal for the briers and broadleaf weeds, don't overgraze, and bush hog three times the first year and a lot of the sage will go away. It will come back stronger some years and other years you won't have much. Don't ask me why some years are worse. Also broom sage is not a sign you need lime that's an old legend. Do the soil test and follow recommendations. You probably don't need to reseed just spray and fertilize.

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Re: Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by SDM » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:19 am

I'd lime to the soil test, and as mentioned 2 tons or so of litter if available mid to late summer. If you can't get litter, then the commercial equivalent in early fall. If you get it right for the fescue and clover, and keep it mowed in the meantime, I'd think the briars would go away on their own.

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Re: Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by snoopdog » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:27 am

I would put half the lime recomendation down now, then let the fescue go to seed before I brushhogged it again, put the rest of the lime down this fall. Get a sack and sweep the seed off the hog for future use.
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Re: Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by BlondeD » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:19 am

I'm heading up o Princeton, KY next week for a 1 day class on updating/replacing/managing the old fescue that is so infected and hopefully pick up some new tips. results....?????

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Re: Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by kenny thomas » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:02 am

BlondeD wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:19 am
I'm heading up o Princeton, KY next week for a 1 day class on updating/replacing/managing the old fescue that is so infected and hopefully pick up some new tips. results....?????
Any links to info you can get would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by BlondeD » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:14 pm

All the above thoughts are on target, just depending on the level of inputs available. I'm hoping for some little tid bits that will add to the regular ones.....will definitely post a summary or link to the class.

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Re: Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by 1wlimo » Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:11 pm

If you can not graze then bush hogging is the best way to go. Do not worry too much about a soil test, or using chemicals. Getting the soil back into health is the best method to ensure you have a good pasture and will be economically viable. Briars even will be controlled by cutting this year, then if you can rotationally graze it you will be able to control them going forward. I would be looking to add some legume seed to help the nutrient cycle. Chicken manure or any other sort of manure or compost is ideal. If you can raise the organic matter in the soil then the Ph will self regulate.

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Re: Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by CrzyOldMan » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:22 pm

Thanks for all the advice.....I'll be back asking for more I'm sure.

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Re: Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by JMER1533 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:12 pm

Maybe also try putting down some brassicas with deep tap roots this fall then graze it or roll it. The tap roots will aerate the soil and the leaf litter will build organic matter. If you’re able, rolling the grasses (assuming you’re not grazing) will be better for the soil than mowing.

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Re: Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by MikeBo » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:48 am

Spray with Remedy and you will only brush hog once. Lime always reduces the sedge on our farms. If I had to choose between spray and fertilizer I would take spray, nothing cleans a place up faster.

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Re: Fix this worn out pasture?

Post by JParrott » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:04 am

Spray it - lime it - fertilize it - seed it. After a year or two you can sell the brush hog.

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