Calves sold well

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Re: Calves sold well

Post by HDRider » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:44 am

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Supply control used to be the thing in both countries. Quotas excreta. Dairy gets most of the press today.

But the US was too smart for that - - so we plowed up more ground to feed the world, and plowed up even more ground to meet the ethanol mandate. Then we got undercut by folks burning rain forest to produce grass fed beef...
I guess it is payback. Giant US farms decimated small 3rd world farmers


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Re: Calves sold well

Post by midTN_Brangusman » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:50 am

Sounds like a good time to unload the cows and go to a stocker operation :2cents:

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Re: Calves sold well

Post by callmefence » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:14 am

HDRider wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:27 am
pricefarm wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:05 pm
HDRider wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:34 am
Sold 5 yesterday
153.38 Steers (3)
132.58 Heifers (2)

Avg. Weight 386#
How come you sold calves so small? How old where they ?
I did not want to carry them into winter. ~5 months
Selling peewees in mid October....here's your sign... :dunce:

I'll let your man corbit explain.


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Re: Calves sold well

Post by farmerjan » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:53 am

Those prices for that sized calves was not that bad considering. That's more than they are bringing here. Heifers in the $.90 to 1.15 range and steers in the 1.10to 1.40's. From 350 to 6 wts. I do think they will be up some in the spring, not huge gains, but a bit better. And the weaned and somewhat heavier ones will bring near the same per lb as the lighter ones so weight gain will be a plus if it doesn't cost too much to get the gain.
I look for 2021 to be a better year for prices. The lack of calves from this past years flooding and cattle loss up in the midwest will be catching up with lower cattle numbers. The farmers just getting tired and having sold out will also add to the lower numbers. I also think that the bred cow market will take a slight upward move.

Also, I do think that there will be more demand. If we don't get the deal worked out with China, and I honestly don't trust them as far as I could throw them, then they will get their needs met elsewhere.... but that will open us up to other markets looking for beef because they cannot find it if China has that all sewn up. I am sure not an expert, but I think that if we can hold on a bit, it will get a LITTLE better. But I don't foresee anything like we saw back in the 2011-2014 years, and if there isn't something figured out with the packer control, then I really do see where we will be at the mercy of them and the beef industry will be going the way of the hogs and chickens. Sure there will be smaller ones that will cater to a niche market, and we will need them if there is too much foreign control, as we might be at the mercy of others for food. So much contract stuff, and them dictating what they want....

Hope that I am right about the uptick in prices, and wrong about that there will be more foreign control/strangulation of our food supply sources. I have told people for years that there will come the day, where we are "owned" by foreign "investors" and they will grab us by the balls and say, okay, we control the food, so you will do as we say..... I think sadly it is closer than many think.

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Re: Calves sold well

Post by skyhightree1 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:21 pm

farmerjan wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:53 am

I look for 2021 to be a better year for prices.
I wish I shared your optimism but I just don't see it in the cards anytime soon.
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Re: Calves sold well

Post by farmerjan » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:03 pm

Sky, I'm saying a LITTLE better, not a lot better. I don't see any real great uptick, certainly nothing like what we saw several years ago. But I think there will be somewhat of an increase, just due to supply being less than demand.

I think this "FAKE MEAT", regardless of what name it goes by, will get a foothold just like the different "milks" that have taken a portion of the dairy supply circle. I also think that as the actual cost of production gets passed around, for this FAKE MEAT, there might be some backlash. Plus, stop and think about all the people today who are developing "allergies" to things like wheat/gluten, peanut butter and such. We are not designed to consume plants in that quantity, and we will not evolve to do so in one or two generations. There may be more people who find that it will be intolerable to consume all this fake stuff. That will also have an impact on some of it. And if there are so many that are so gung ho about organic.... then they will not be able to eat some of this "fake stuff".....

A friend recently said to me " It cracks me up to see all these idiots who push all this "fake meat" and all, but then turn around and spend money out the wazoo for "all wild and natural" type of dog foods for their dogs." Gives another definition to IDIOT and CLUELESS NUTCASES like that....

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Re: Calves sold well

Post by HDRider » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:35 am

callmefence wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:14 am
HDRider wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:27 am
pricefarm wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:05 pm


How come you sold calves so small? How old where they ?
I did not want to carry them into winter. ~5 months
Selling peewees in mid October....here's your sign... :dunce:

I'll let your man corbit explain.


It is hard to know if you are trying to be helpful, or trying to be a SA. I can say for sure how it comes across.

I made a choice of when I sold them for good reasons. I knew they would not make me a profit. I also knew it limited my loss.

So here is your sign. Skip ahead a few post and give me your address like you always do so we can settle this offline.
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Re: Calves sold well

Post by callmefence » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:58 am

HDRider wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:35 am
callmefence wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:14 am
HDRider wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:27 am


I did not want to carry them into winter. ~5 months
Selling peewees in mid October....here's your sign... :dunce:

I'll let your man corbit explain.


It is hard to know if you are trying to be helpful, or trying to be a SA. I can say for sure how it comes across.

I made a choice of when I sold them for good reasons. I knew they would not make me a profit. I also knew it limited my loss.

So here is your sign. Skip ahead a few post and give me your address like you always do so we can settle this offline.
I was trying to be a helpful smartazz. Lol
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Re: Calves sold well

Post by skyhightree1 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:35 am

farmerjan wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:03 pm
Sky, I'm saying a LITTLE better, not a lot better. I don't see any real great uptick, certainly nothing like what we saw several years ago. But I think there will be somewhat of an increase, just due to supply being less than demand.

I think this "FAKE MEAT", regardless of what name it goes by, will get a foothold just like the different "milks" that have taken a portion of the dairy supply circle. I also think that as the actual cost of production gets passed around, for this FAKE MEAT, there might be some backlash. Plus, stop and think about all the people today who are developing "allergies" to things like wheat/gluten, peanut butter and such. We are not designed to consume plants in that quantity, and we will not evolve to do so in one or two generations. There may be more people who find that it will be intolerable to consume all this fake stuff. That will also have an impact on some of it. And if there are so many that are so gung ho about organic.... then they will not be able to eat some of this "fake stuff".....

A friend recently said to me " It cracks me up to see all these idiots who push all this "fake meat" and all, but then turn around and spend money out the wazoo for "all wild and natural" type of dog foods for their dogs." Gives another definition to IDIOT and CLUELESS NUTCASES like that....
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Re: Calves sold well

Post by bird dog » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:10 pm

Last time I was at The stockyards in OKC I met a nice couple from Arkansas there for the first time. They reminded me of myself. They were worried sick that they had made a dumb decision having to pay so much for freight and all their friends and neighbors told them they were idiots and it would never pencil out. Same as folks tell me.

The man was worried about his calves and spent most of the time down in the pens making sure they had grain and a clean water trough. Same as I did the first time.
He had hired a pot even though he had only about 30,000 lbs. His calves were nice and well taken care of. Long weaned.

His wife told me they were fed up with the Arkansas sale barns where they wouldn't get paid for their work. Once again same as what I see and why I haul mine 300 miles.

After theirs went through I ask them if they were pleased and they said very much so and would be back.
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Re: Calves sold well

Post by JParrott » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:34 pm

Even though things didn't sell like I hoped this year, we used to do the same thing before new ownership brought in better buyers at the local barn. Not 300 miles but sometimes we'd run past Springfield to Joplin (140 miles) to make more.

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Re: Calves sold well

Post by farmerjan » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:01 pm

skyhightree1 wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:35 am
farmerjan wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:03 pm
Sky, I'm saying a LITTLE better, not a lot better. I don't see any real great uptick, certainly nothing like what we saw several years ago. But I think there will be somewhat of an increase, just due to supply being less than demand.

I think this "FAKE MEAT", regardless of what name it goes by, will get a foothold just like the different "milks" that have taken a portion of the dairy supply circle. I also think that as the actual cost of production gets passed around, for this FAKE MEAT, there might be some backlash. Plus, stop and think about all the people today who are developing "allergies" to things like wheat/gluten, peanut butter and such. We are not designed to consume plants in that quantity, and we will not evolve to do so in one or two generations. There may be more people who find that it will be intolerable to consume all this fake stuff. That will also have an impact on some of it. And if there are so many that are so gung ho about organic.... then they will not be able to eat some of this "fake stuff".....

A friend recently said to me " It cracks me up to see all these idiots who push all this "fake meat" and all, but then turn around and spend money out the wazoo for "all wild and natural" type of dog foods for their dogs." Gives another definition to IDIOT and CLUELESS NUTCASES like that....
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I'm thinking at least 3 hours? Have to go over the mountain, BV, down 501 right? On the other side of Lynchburg?

New owners took over Staunton, and there is alot of grumbling. I haven't seen a check yet, but heard that the commissions are double what they were before. It was always one of the "cheapest" as in least cost, places to sell. Took way longer to get unloaded last friday than necessary.... my dairy farmer today told me they sat, in line for over 3 hours. From a spot that used to be only a 1 1/2 to 2 hr wait. I am trying to give them a chance as no one can just come in and make things go as smooth right off the bat, as the ones that had been there doing it for over 50 years. Rumor is they are going to do some graded sales.... we will see.

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Re: Calves sold well

Post by Dave » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:57 pm

I had a hard time getting calves bought today at Vale Oregon. First group in the ring was 6 head of black steers weighing 352. They brought $2.04. Next bunch was 5 head that weighed 374. They brought $2.03. A little later a group of 7 steers weighing 355 brought $2.10. I ended up getting 9 head bought that weighed between 370 and 480. Two bulls and 7 heifers averaged $541. The two 400 pound Herefords heifers that cost $1.02 and the 370 pound black heifer for $0.98 really helped that average.

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Re: Calves sold well

Post by Stocker Steve » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:15 pm

Hereford heifers get hammered here too. Do they sell better as yearlings?
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Re: Calves sold well

Post by Dave » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:04 pm

Stocker Steve wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:15 pm
Hereford heifers get hammered here too. Do they sell better as yearlings?
When you have a big bunch of yearlings of mostly black and baldies a few Herefords in the mix wont hurt at all. I bought them for neighbor B. My calves are all black and baldie heifers. His are a box of crayons and he has some freshly banded bull calves too. The 2 bulls I bought were also for him. Tomorrow I will buy for both of us again. He is busy elk hunting.

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