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Sold 2 steers

Post by Bright Raven » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:29 pm

I sold 2 Simmental steers today at Paris Stockyards. They were both September calves. They were on creep feed from about 6 weeks of age. They were weaned at 5 months and 2 weeks. On this the date of sale, they are 6 months and 2 weeks old. They sold as a pair. The combined weight was 1315 which averages to 657 pounds each. One was bigger so a rough estimate would be 700 and 615. They brought 1.35. They were fleshy so that probably hurt them.


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Re: Sold 2 steers

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:31 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
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I sold 2 Simmental steers today at Paris Stockyards. They were both September calves. They were on creep feed from about 6 weeks of age. They were weaned at 5 months and 2 weeks. On this the date of sale, they are 6 months and 2 weeks old. They sold as a pair. The combined weight was 1315 which averages to 657 pounds each. One was bigger so a rough estimate would be 700 and 615. They brought 1.35. They were fleshy so that probably hurt them.
Gotta wean 45-60 days and background calves Ron, are you learning nothing here?
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Re: Sold 2 steers

Post by Bright Raven » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:20 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:31 pm
Bright Raven wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:29 pm
I sold 2 Simmental steers today at Paris Stockyards. They were both September calves. They were on creep feed from about 6 weeks of age. They were weaned at 5 months and 2 weeks. On this the date of sale, they are 6 months and 2 weeks old. They sold as a pair. The combined weight was 1315 which averages to 657 pounds each. One was bigger so a rough estimate would be 700 and 615. They brought 1.35. They were fleshy so that probably hurt them.
Gotta wean 45-60 days and background calves Ron, are you learning nothing here?
I don't sell enough feeders to engage in more productive strategies. If I were selling 20 or more feeders, I would enlist in the backgrounding programs that Bluegrass Stockyards in Lexington offers.
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Re: Sold 2 steers

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:38 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:20 pm
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:31 pm
Bright Raven wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:29 pm
I sold 2 Simmental steers today at Paris Stockyards. They were both September calves. They were on creep feed from about 6 weeks of age. They were weaned at 5 months and 2 weeks. On this the date of sale, they are 6 months and 2 weeks old. They sold as a pair. The combined weight was 1315 which averages to 657 pounds each. One was bigger so a rough estimate would be 700 and 615. They brought 1.35. They were fleshy so that probably hurt them.
Gotta wean 45-60 days and background calves Ron, are you learning nothing here?
I don't sell enough feeders to engage in more productive strategies. If I were selling 20 or more feeders, I would enlist in the backgrounding programs that Bluegrass Stockyards in Lexington offers.
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Re: Sold 2 steers

Post by talltimber » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:06 am

Sounds like they were frontgrounded! I guess you didn't like them enough to leave intact. Hard to sell bulls with a knife in your hand isnt it? Good for you. No, really

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Re: Sold 2 steers

Post by Bright Raven » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:11 am

talltimber wrote:
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Sounds like they were frontgrounded! I guess you didn't like them enough to leave intact. Hard to sell bulls with a knife in your hand isnt it? Good for you. No, really
One had a birthweight of 123 pounds. Be a tough sell as a bull. Maybe Brookhill would like him. :cboy:

The other one had a lot of white. Both were nice calves otherwise.
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Re: Sold 2 steers

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:15 am

Bright Raven wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:11 am
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Sounds like they were frontgrounded! I guess you didn't like them enough to leave intact. Hard to sell bulls with a knife in your hand isnt it? Good for you. No, really
One had a birthweight of 123 pounds. Be a tough sell as a bull. Maybe Brookhill would like him. :cboy:

The other one had a lot of white. Both were nice calves otherwise.
Actually if I stay in the biz I would have given him a shot on my older cows. They need a challenge.
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Re: Sold 2 steers

Post by Bright Raven » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:23 am

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:15 am
Bright Raven wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:11 am
talltimber wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:06 am
Sounds like they were frontgrounded! I guess you didn't like them enough to leave intact. Hard to sell bulls with a knife in your hand isnt it? Good for you. No, really
One had a birthweight of 123 pounds. Be a tough sell as a bull. Maybe Brookhill would like him. :cboy:

The other one had a lot of white. Both were nice calves otherwise.
Actually if I stay in the biz I would have given him a shot on my older cows. They need a challenge.
I would have had reservations. That 123 pounder was a Broadway. Broadway has a CE of NEGATIVE 4.1. And adds 3.4 pounds. He is a dream come true for Brookhill. I have an early September Broadway heifer that is bigger than any of the bulls. She is bigger than this Broadway steer. Yet, she is as gentle as a puppy. I am going to keep her for my own entertainment. I just wonder how big she will be. She might be in the Class of Brookhill's big mommas. ;-)
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Re: Sold 2 steers

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:30 am

Bright Raven wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:23 am
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
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Bright Raven wrote:
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One had a birthweight of 123 pounds. Be a tough sell as a bull. Maybe Brookhill would like him. :cboy:

The other one had a lot of white. Both were nice calves otherwise.
Actually if I stay in the biz I would have given him a shot on my older cows. They need a challenge.
I would have had reservations. That 123 pounder was a Broadway. Broadway has a CE of NEGATIVE 4.1. And adds 3.4 pounds. He is a dream come true for Brookhill. I have an early September Broadway heifer that is bigger than any of the bulls. She is bigger than this Broadway steer. Yet, she is as gentle as a puppy. I am going to keep her for my own entertainment. I just wonder how big she will be. She might be in the Class of Brookhill's big mommas. ;-)
If you boys would stop pouring the feed to them you might moderate birth weights and overall cow size.
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Re: Sold 2 steers

Post by Allenw » Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:14 am

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:30 am
Bright Raven wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:23 am
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:15 am


Actually if I stay in the biz I would have given him a shot on my older cows. They need a challenge.
I would have had reservations. That 123 pounder was a Broadway. Broadway has a CE of NEGATIVE 4.1. And adds 3.4 pounds. He is a dream come true for Brookhill. I have an early September Broadway heifer that is bigger than any of the bulls. She is bigger than this Broadway steer. Yet, she is as gentle as a puppy. I am going to keep her for my own entertainment. I just wonder how big she will be. She might be in the Class of Brookhill's big mommas. ;-)
If you boys would stop pouring the feed to them you might moderate birth weights and overall cow size.
You have to keep the epd's going up somehow.

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Re: Sold 2 steers

Post by bird dog » Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:24 pm

That was funny Allen.

Raven, why do you even creep feed them with all the great grass you mow down? I'm sure they are fleshy with all that feed.

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Re: Sold 2 steers

Post by Bright Raven » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:52 pm

bird dog wrote:
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That was funny Allen.

Raven, why do you even creep feed them with all the great grass you mow down? I'm sure they are fleshy with all that feed.
Good question. My calves are born in a short window of time. Mostly September. A few are added in October. The first few weeks they mostly nurse. I start training them to come into the sanctuary at about 6 weeks of age. The feed acts as a lure. At 6 weeks, they know where the feed is. When they are in the "sanctuary" (the sanctuary is an area that the calves can access but the cows cannot. A system for segregation. It provides an area for the calves to get out of the nasty areas around the hay feed rings.) I have the means to control them. The control allows me to vaccinate, halter train, and treat if necessary. Consumption of feed is not significant until they are about 3 months old. It is measured out in an open feeder, NOT free choice.

There is very little grass during the calves' first 6 to 7 months of life. The feed plays a major role in my calf management program. My cows are good milkers, but the feed definitely assures they achieve their full growth potential. Obviously, it would not work well on a larger stage.

Once the heifers are weaned - about April 1 - they go on pasture without feed. The bulls are weaned about 2 weeks earlier - they have been weaned now for about 3 weeks- they get hay until pasture comes on. Pasture is just starting here. I stopped putting hay out to the bulls Friday.

Simple answer is - there is not much opportunity for grazing during calfhood. By the time they would be old enough to take advantage of grass, the cows are on hay.
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Re: Sold 2 steers

Post by bird dog » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:42 pm

Interesting. Thanks
My cows would pay you to adopt them. I do most of mine in the same way as far as calving time so it seems strange to me that now that you have good calves on hand coming into the spring flush, you sell them instead of taking advantage of the opportunity.

Most of my calves are now 5 to 7 months old. I expect them to gain 100 lbs in the next 30 days on the spring flush of grass.

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Re: Sold 2 steers

Post by Bright Raven » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:48 pm

bird dog wrote:
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Interesting. Thanks
My cows would pay you to adopt them. I do most of mine in the same way as far as calving time so it seems strange to me that now that you have good calves on hand coming into the spring flush, you sell them instead of taking advantage of the opportunity.

Most of my calves are now 5 to 7 months old. I expect them to gain 100 lbs in the next 30 days on the spring flush of grass.
I will sell bulls anytime from 45 days after weaning to 15 months old. The heifers are retained on grass through summer, AI bred to a CE bull at 15 months of age and sold as breds or retained as replacements after confirmation they are pregnant.
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Re: Sold 2 steers

Post by shaz » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:07 pm

Sounds like you could/should stop the creep feed. Calves won't get 700lbs anywhere near that fast but shouldn't be fleshy either. Not to mention what you save in $
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