Bull buying delimma

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Bull buying delimma

Post by TCRanch » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:54 am

Last year at this time I was perfectly happy with 3 bulls I really liked. Then last fall Rod suffered a stifle injury and I ended up having to sell an awesome 3 year old bull. Fast forward to last week and Dick, my all time fave, didn't pass his BSE. Devastated! So now I'm left with Johnson, our Village Idiot (oh, how I wish I could upload a video of him getting stuck inside a bale ring & dragging it around the pasture!).

Here's my dilemma: I have a small herd with only 40 cows, 6 first calf heifers & 6 retained heifers that will be bred next May. I bit the bullet & culled hard last year. Johnson is super high calving ease (+16) & he's perfect for heifers but obviously don't want all my cows spitting out tiny calves. Rod was +14, Dick was +9 and between the 3 bulls my last year's calves sold at appx. 8 months at an average 781# and 713# for steers, 688# and 606# for heifers so pretty decent growth.

Going to the Chisolm Trail Sale on Friday. Looking for opinions on whether it would be doable to buy one bull with a lower CED for the main herd and using Johnson on the heifers (maybe turning him out late April) then moving him over to the main herd with the new bull mid/late May. Plan B would be 2 new bulls, same lower CED range for the main herd with Johnson as the heifers sire, turning all bulls out mid/late May. Plan C would be 2 new bulls, one high CED for the heifers & using Johnson and the other new lower CED bull for the main herd. Clear as mud? Link to the sale if you're interested or have an opinion on any of the bulls: http://winfieldlivestockauct.com/wordpr ... -trail.pdf



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Re: Bull buying delimma

Post by Dave » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:21 pm

I never have been a fan of those association sales with a bull or two from a bunch of small breeders. That and the catalog just has pedigrees and numbers. That is pretty much shopping by name recognition. My only other comment would be that bull prices seem to be down. At a sale such as this I would not get carried away bidding.

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Re: Bull buying delimma

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:24 pm

I know a guy in Kentucky....
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Re: Bull buying delimma

Post by bird dog » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:00 pm

Does make economic sense to have three bulls with only 40 cows. I would buy one bull with a average CED for the main herd, keep the idiot for the heifers.
Try to get the heifers bred ahead of the main herd and then mix them all together when the main herd is ready. The idiot will breed most the first year I assume because he will be bigger but better to get them all bred quickly than worry about calf size.

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Re: Bull buying delimma

Post by M-5 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:48 pm

I would suggest one with the name pecker or shlong in his registration papers
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Re: Bull buying delimma

Post by Lazy M » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:22 pm

I'd take a look at lot 31 any bull that combines 7229 and CC&7 sounds like a winner to me. Looks like his individual growth was good too.

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Re: Bull buying delimma

Post by TCRanch » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:51 pm

M-5 wrote:
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I would suggest one with the name pecker or shlong in his registration papers
I could provide a list of all the names I've had for my bulls. The implication is a little salty but I can still refer to them in polite company. Besides, that's their job! ;-)

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Re: Bull buying delimma

Post by Brookhill Angus » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:52 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
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I know a guy in Kentucky....
Me too! LOL!
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Re: Bull buying delimma

Post by TCRanch » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:54 pm

Lazy M wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:22 pm
I'd take a look at lot 31 any bull that combines 7229 and CC&7 sounds like a winner to me. Looks like his individual growth was good too.
Thanks, I liked his EPD's. Breeder is close & has a good reputation so that's a plus.

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Re: Bull buying delimma

Post by TCRanch » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:22 pm

Okay, lemme throw out Plan D. Just spent an hour on the phone with a trusted friend who is also a true Cowboy, that's all he does. He is instrumental in helping me work my cattle twice a year & knows my herd. He calves in the fall & is offering 2 of his bulls for the main herd, Johnson would remain my heifer bull. He is primarily Hereford (red, black, polled & horned) but also has Angus. His idea is to put 2 of his black, polled Herefords or 1 BPH & 1 Angus with my primarily Angus main herd to promote hybrid vigor. Much higher BW/WW. No charge, just feed, and he would have them tested prior (plus he has a sound vaccination program). He doesn't have to graze/feed them over the summer (and reduce too many bulls being non-working bulls) & I have an alternative while I figure out my long term game plan. Part of the equation is Hubby, who isn't in the best of health so I'm doing the majority myself. Maybe sell pairs when we work them in May, maybe sell breds at weaning & get down to a totally doable one person operation. Not sure at this point but my friends offer gives me the option of taking more time and maybe not an additional investment/expense. Offer also extends to after this weeks sale, just in case I find a bull(s) I absolutely have to have. Hmmm?

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Re: Bull buying delimma

Post by Aaron » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:42 pm

M-5 wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:48 pm
I would suggest one with the name pecker or shlong in his registration papers
SOAB, you beat me too it! :lol: :lol: I was going to suggest investing in 3 new bulls named Pecker, Schlong and Ding-Dong. :banana:
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Re: Bull buying delimma

Post by Silver » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:22 pm

What did Dick fail on? It's not uncommon for a bull to fail a semen test at this time of year and be good to go in a month or two.

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Re: Bull buying delimma

Post by Stocker Steve » Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:33 am

Two bulls with the right names should get ur done. :nod:
Offer D sounds good.
Sorry to hear about your husband.
With current prices - - you may make more with fewer cows and an extending grazing season.
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Re: Bull buying delimma

Post by TCRanch » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:00 am

Silver wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:22 pm
What did Dick fail on? It's not uncommon for a bull to fail a semen test at this time of year and be good to go in a month or two.
Last year the vet said he had some spirals/coiling on the tail of the sperm but still tested okay, not great (don't remember exactly but mid 80's). And we have a lot of his calves on the ground, currently halfway through calving. This year he plummeted to a pitiful 49%, a lot of spirals/coiling. Vet had to re-test Johnson this year because the sperm were immobile on the first try. Use it or lose it? Fortunately his swimmers kicked into high gear for the subsequent test.

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Re: Bull buying delimma

Post by TCRanch » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:04 am

Aaron wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:42 pm
M-5 wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:48 pm
I would suggest one with the name pecker or shlong in his registration papers
SOAB, you beat me too it! :lol: :lol: I was going to suggest investing in 3 new bulls named Pecker, Schlong and Ding-Dong. :banana:
If I bought 2 I was thinking along the lines of Willy & Wonka or Tally & Wacker. :hide:

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