How much lower can the cull cow market go?

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How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by True Grit Farms » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:08 am

I know a few of us have been holding cull cows since the spring hoping the summer hamburger bounce would help things out. The calf and yearling market isn't great but it's not bad either.
Will all the majority of dairy cows be off the market by the spring? I figure dairies that are in a bad way won't try to feed the cows through the winter hoping for better cull prices.
And do you think cull cows can possibly go any lower?


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Re: How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by OleScout » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:25 am

I don't see how it can go much lower than it is here. I sold 4 very old cows last week. Total bring home was $758. One brought $0.15 lb. But like I said they were very old and had a rough winter last year. I couldn't see feeding them through the winter and there being a high probability they wouldn't make it.

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Re: How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by kenny thomas » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:41 am

I'm almost to the point that they will bring whatever they bring. Getting tired of trying to out guess the market. Worst thing is the ones needed sold the worst have 2 month old calves on them.
My thoughts only, don't bet the farm on them. KT

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Re: How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by Caustic Burno » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am

I don’t see any light at the end of tunnel till this spring in this area.
Due to a series of events from too wet or drought hay is in short supply.
Return to the farm cows brought 4 to 5 hundred for slaughter as cutters.
I see the SS heavies along with replacement heifers having a good bounce this spring.
Now this a regional feeling spine tingle.
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Re: How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by 76 Bar » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:27 pm

:P Quit yer whining. I lived to tell about it... :roll: ...1975 22 cull cows @ .22/lb, 5 cull bulls @ .23/lb.

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Re: How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by True Grit Farms » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:36 pm

76 Bar wrote::P Quit yer whining. I lived to tell about it... :roll: ...1975 22 cull cows @ .22/lb, 5 cull bulls @ .23/lb.

$1 dollar in 1975 was worth $4.75 in today's money.
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Re: How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by Caustic Burno » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:48 pm

76 Bar wrote::P Quit yer whining. I lived to tell about it... :roll: ...1975 22 cull cows @ .22/lb, 5 cull bulls @ .23/lb.


I got a nickel a pound for some with a B branded on their jaw in 73.
The bangs eradication program all it got was me and a lot of others.
Now we have feral hogs carrying it that will make your cows test positive.
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Re: How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by farmerjan » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:19 pm

Did not know that feral hogs could carry brucellosis and have it cause problems in cattle. I didn't think it was able to cross species. But then, I have said that the coccidiosis that calves get can come from exposure to chicken coccidiosis and the vets say no. The only trouble I have with cocci is when the calves are in a barn that had turkeys in it about 8 years ago....
Another reason to have the heifers bangs vaccinated....

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Re: How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by Caustic Burno » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:48 pm

farmerjan wrote:Did not know that feral hogs could carry brucellosis and have it cause problems in cattle. I didn't think it was able to cross species. But then, I have said that the coccidiosis that calves get can come from exposure to chicken coccidiosis and the vets say no. The only trouble I have with cocci is when the calves are in a barn that had turkeys in it about 8 years ago....
Another reason to have the heifers bangs vaccinated....


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Re: How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by 76 Bar » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:13 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
76 Bar wrote::P Quit yer whining. I lived to tell about it... :roll: ...1975 22 cull cows @ .22/lb, 5 cull bulls @ .23/lb.

$1 dollar in 1975 was worth $4.75 in today's money.

Yep...all things considered it was a godsend e.g. it allowed someone like me not born into ranching and sans property to get a foot in the door.

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Re: How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by ddd75 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:36 pm

glad i took all mine in early fall and got .55 - .70 / lb. these prices would make you cry

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Re: How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by Stocker Steve » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:35 pm

No.
Small dairies continue to sell out, but big dairies continue to build new 10,000 cow units. Sexed semen continues to sell.

Yes.
Remember how cheap sows were 10 years ago? And then there is negative interest rates. :o

Numbers I saw were that beef cow cull was up more year on year than dairy cow cull. Dry in the west, flooding in the east, and higher hay prices...

So what is the opportunity here ??? Dump old cows, and buy back running age cows to ride it out? :cowboy:
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Re: How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by Dave » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:21 pm

The cull cow market is a down but it is a lot better here in the west than people from the east are saying. When you figure the cost to feed an old cow, especially an open cow, it makes more sense to dump them and move forward. The cull cow market is down but so is the bred cow market. It is much better to put feed into something that is going to produce than to put money into something hoping the market will come up. The cost of feed will most likely out weigh the benefit of holding.

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Re: How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by Son of Butch » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:25 pm

76 Bar wrote: Quit yer whining. I lived to tell about it... :roll: ...1975 22 cull cows @ .22/lb, 5 cull bulls @ .23/lb.

Grandpa shipped a slaughter hog to South St Paul stockyards in 1931 and all he got for it was a bill because the hog
price didn't cover trucking... we still have the receipt to prove it... he said keep the receipt as a reminder of what
can happen for the days when you think times are tough.

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Re: How much lower can the cull cow market go?

Post by Nesikep » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:39 am

Ask Aaron, Bez and others what prices were like in ~2002 up here.. 5 wt heifers were about $.50 USD/lb, bulls were $.05, and cows just didn't sell.
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