Demand For Old Tractors

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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by Nesikep » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:53 am

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Our 1952 grey fergy gets used every day, breaths more smoke out the oil cap than the exhaust but never misses a beat. I like old tractors as you can actually fix them! I collect walk behind howard equipment, have about thirty machines now......maybe a few more but don't tell the wife!!!
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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by Redgully » Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:22 pm

You have done a stella job on that Ariens. I am resisting the urge to start collecting chainsaws, i have four but they were given to me. I have a 1960s mculloch that my dad bought new. He gave it to a friend for parts for his but he never used it, couple of years ago asked me if i wanted it. Glad to have it back. Now just got to get the time to fix them all. On the orchard we have a husqvarna 395xp, that thing has more power than it knows what to do with.

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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by wbvs58 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:32 pm

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I have a 60s Aussie built tractor and a Jap 80s tractor 4wd....guess which one gets to do any ground work...both are 40hp

The Jap one is good, much better brakes are main diff, but the 60s era is a tank....almost literally

The biggest prob is manufacturers and dealers are looking to have a hand in your pocket and there is not enough tractors to break free from that system, unlike with cars, it started like that, but there is enough demand that aftermarket work arounds stop most of this, enough knowledge that it is not an issue. The standards allowing cheap diagnostics also. I can plug in a 10 buck device, tractors should have this too, maybe they will be forced to change by lack of sales ?

Somone should pressure them all to a standard too....
Greggy, what is the Australian built one?
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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by greggy » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:15 pm

Well, it is not that much of a tank !

It is an old International....they built them in Geelong.

Glow plug wiring is burnt out, but it starts easier than the Jap one unless it is below 10 degrees and had no sun....

But it is like a bulldog.

Just lacks a handbrake and good brakes, I will admit the 2 stage clutch for pto not as nice as the ones with a switch....can have you concentrating when on a slope and trying to use post hole digger 😀

I feel the PTO and box etc are all much heavier though, the castings are all larger...etc

I wonder what the current Mahindras are like ..... they are based off the old Massey tractors I believe....maybe they are less complex of a compact tractor.

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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by cumminspuller » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:50 pm

I collect older tractors myself. 2 cylinder Deere stuff. If someone was looking to get into the hobby to make money don't. The only tractors that bring good money are low production stuff. 500 or less produced. Some of those are dropping depending on the model. Original tractor still bring pretty good money. Your common everyday stuff is dirt cheap. I'll keep buying them as I have the funds because I do enjoy using them and working on them when I can.

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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by Nesikep » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:21 pm

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You have done a stella job on that Ariens. I am resisting the urge to start collecting chainsaws, i have four but they were given to me. I have a 1960s mculloch that my dad bought new. He gave it to a friend for parts for his but he never used it, couple of years ago asked me if i wanted it. Glad to have it back. Now just got to get the time to fix them all. On the orchard we have a husqvarna 395xp, that thing has more power than it knows what to do with.
I'd like to get a 390 and a 395.. I have a couple 394's (one is ported, that thing is a BEAST).. 372 XPG/XT, a few 288's, a bunch of 2100/2101's, a pile of L65's, Stihl 044 (I'm not a stihl guy but that's one of my go-to saws), Big bore 064.. a biatch to start with 210PSI compression and 98cc, but I prefer the 394's generally.. The lowly Pioneer 1073 is my favorite small saw, 50cc in a very compact package, a bit of port work would make it a bit snappier though... I've done various amounts of port work to the L65's.. in stock form they're pretty boring and slow, but with enough modification they do pretty well... at the back of the pack there's what seems to be a Husky 61, it's got a big bore kit, lots of port work, a stroker crank, and a tuned pipe, it cuts like your 395!

I never liked the 2 lunger deers.. they just weren't a modern enough platform to be useful these days
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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by Atimm693 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:05 pm

Nesikep wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:21 pm
Redgully wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:22 pm
You have done a stella job on that Ariens. I am resisting the urge to start collecting chainsaws, i have four but they were given to me. I have a 1960s mculloch that my dad bought new. He gave it to a friend for parts for his but he never used it, couple of years ago asked me if i wanted it. Glad to have it back. Now just got to get the time to fix them all. On the orchard we have a husqvarna 395xp, that thing has more power than it knows what to do with.
I'd like to get a 390 and a 395.. I have a couple 394's (one is ported, that thing is a BEAST).. 372 XPG/XT, a few 288's, a bunch of 2100/2101's, a pile of L65's, Stihl 044 (I'm not a stihl guy but that's one of my go-to saws), Big bore 064.. a biatch to start with 210PSI compression and 98cc, but I prefer the 394's generally.. The lowly Pioneer 1073 is my favorite small saw, 50cc in a very compact package, a bit of port work would make it a bit snappier though... I've done various amounts of port work to the L65's.. in stock form they're pretty boring and slow, but with enough modification they do pretty well... at the back of the pack there's what seems to be a Husky 61, it's got a big bore kit, lots of port work, a stroker crank, and a tuned pipe, it cuts like your 395!

I never liked the 2 lunger deers.. they just weren't a modern enough platform to be useful these days
Where'd you get the stroker crank for the 61? I have a 266 that I got for free. Piston was smoked so I got a 272 top end for it. Runs but still has an air leak that I haven't tracked down yet.

Agreed on the Johnny Poppers. They're a fun novelty but I wouldn't want to spend a day on one. Dad still has his 730D that he bought in the 80s. Easy to work on though, pretty much no reason to split it, most wear items are accessible from outside.

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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by Nesikep » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:17 pm

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Where'd you get the stroker crank for the 61? I have a 266 that I got for free. Piston was smoked so I got a 272 top end for it. Runs but still has an air leak that I haven't tracked down yet.

Agreed on the Johnny Poppers. They're a fun novelty but I wouldn't want to spend a day on one. Dad still has his 730D that he bought in the 80s. Easy to work on though, pretty much no reason to split it, most wear items are accessible from outside.
I made it out of an old L65 crank (2mm more stroke).. it took a heck of a lot of machine work.. had to be ground to fit the casing, and then had to move the flywheel taper inward, that was really hard to get right!



With the air leak, I'd check the crank bearings first
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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by hurleyjd » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:42 pm

My operation does not demand any big horsepower tractors. I have several of the old blue Fords that serve me well. After market parts are available for these old Fords. Two 4610's one with a loader. A 4100 that is used often. A 4630 with loader it and the 4610 are used pretty regular. All have a beautiful patina from setting out all of their life. :lol:
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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by Nesikep » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:05 pm

Our newest tractor, Massey 255 (1983?), 3500 hrs, runs like a top, we're into it for about $5K USD and we'll never lose money on it, it gets about 150 hours a year, so it'll always be one of the lowest hour machines.. Have a 165 we bought with 1800 hours, 20 years later its also around 3500, though the hour meter went goofy and it spins the 1000's around whenever it feels like it.. one day it'll have 9500 hours, then the next it'll have 1500..

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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by jltrent » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:00 pm

hurleyjd wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:42 pm
My operation does not demand any big horsepower tractors. I have several of the old blue Fords that serve me well. After market parts are available for these old Fords. Two 4610's one with a loader. A 4100 that is used often. A 4630 with loader it and the 4610 are used pretty regular. All have a beautiful patina from setting out all of their life. :lol:
Those old Fords are nice.....

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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by Redgully » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:30 pm

hurleyjd wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:42 pm
My operation does not demand any big horsepower tractors. I have several of the old blue Fords that serve me well. After market parts are available for these old Fords. Two 4610's one with a loader. A 4100 that is used often. A 4630 with loader it and the 4610 are used pretty regular. All have a beautiful patina from setting out all of their life. :lol:
We have a 3610 with FEL. Great tractor, not perfect but very useable. We use it every day and i love the engine, pumps out the hp with very little diesel usage. Very similar to our fiat 540, i think it may be made by the same company. I love massey ferguson tractors but we had an old 65 and as you were mowing you could watch the fuel gauge drop as you went. The ford/fiat has a short stroke and the power is instant. As such we didnt think the engines would last long but 40 years later still going like new, must have 20,000 hours on the fiat all at 540pto rpm. The massey 65 took ages to build up to 540pto with the mower but then would sit there all day at low engine rpm, beautiful motor, very therapeutic.

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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by Nesikep » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:35 pm

the 165 and 255 are both good on fuel, but the 165 engine is poorly balanced, it shakes the tractor tinwork to bits. the 255 is very smooth in comparison
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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by greggy » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:07 am

Nesikep wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:05 pm
Our newest tractor, Massey 255 (1983?), 3500 hrs, runs like a top, we're into it for about $5K USD and we'll never lose money on it, it gets about 150 hours a year, so it'll always be one of the lowest hour machines.. Have a 165 we bought with 1800 hours, 20 years later its also around 3500, though the hour meter went goofy and it spins the 1000's around whenever it feels like it.. one day it'll have 9500 hours, then the next it'll have 1500..

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Re: Demand For Old Tractors

Post by Lucky_P » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:21 am

Have a 1961 JD 2010 that I've had for 25 yrs... and have spent way more on it over the years than it was worth, keeping it running. Replaced the fuel pump this summer... think the clutch is going out now... don't know that I'll sink any more $$ into it.
Bought a 1984 Case 1294 with FEL 10 years or so ago... POS; worst machinery purchase I ever made.

4WD Kubota M9000 w/ FEL is the daily workhorse here now. Does it all - feeding, discing, laying plastic mulch/driptape, planting.

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