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Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:20 am

Not a mechanic here - remember - woman. All tractors have "glitches - oddities".
I do most of the driving of our tractor. In the past, if I hadn't let it "warm up" quite enough on a super cold day, it would lag when I put it in gear & let clutch out. You know, sort of hesitate. I would know it was still too cold & would give it a few minutes more.
Also, if I lug it (not have RPM's up high enough while driving/feeding) my Check Transmission light will come on and I will no longer be able to speed shift. Has done this for the maybe 15 years I've owned it. Turn off engine, all is good when you restart it.
OK - question is. Now, when we have really cold temps I have to warm it extra long time because the Check Trans. light is on and it will absolutely NOT engage. Yesterday it was 3F. Plugged in long time, let run 15 minutes. Light was on - no go. turned off engine, restarted, light out, all was good.
Any ideas? Is transmission getting bad? Hydo oil was changed this summer (blew a line). Filters changed.
Runs great once it "goes". Feed hay every 2-3 days. No crop work so has very few hours put on in a year.


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Re: Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by ClodHopper37869 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:29 am

Is it a power shift transmission? a power shift flashing light can be reset by mashing the clutch pedal, change hyd filter ever spring, + the trans has a screen strainer that should be checked every few years, use IH HiTran fluid or a Very Good aftermarket, No cheap Hydraulic Fluid
If its a straight gear box I don't have a clue..

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Re: Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by Atimm693 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:13 pm

We have a 5240 with a lot of the same issues.

The hesitation on ours is the clutch cables, they are getting sticky and hang up in the cold weather. I haven't had time to tear the seat out and replace them, I don't use that tractor much in the winter. If you push up on the clutch with your foot and it takes off, the cables are you problem. Those cables don't belong anywhere on a tractor IMO, but CNH loves them.

Ours has no 1st gear at all for the most part, although it works sometimes (powershift). I'm convinced it's a shift solenoid, a quick resistance check would likely show which one, although again, I haven't had a reason to repair it. That may be your case as well, although if it consistently quits with load applied, it may be detecting slip and shutting it down because of that, if that is the case, there is a clutch pack inside that needs attention.

As for the cold weather problems, change the hydraulic filters and make sure you are using the right type of hydraulic oil. I use Citgo Transgard, it is supposed to meet or exceed whatever CNH specs for these tractors, it seems to work pretty well. I think this is a common complaint with red tractors, for whatever reason they usually put a filter on the suction side, and it is an aggravation in the winter. They should make an electric trans heater for these, being in NY that may be an option worth installing for you, can save a lot of time in the winter.

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Re: Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by ClodHopper37869 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:24 pm

"very few hours put on in a year"
You may have a lot of moisture buildup in trans case, get the oil hot, 3-4 hours of PTO work @ PTO speed, than change fluid, filter, clean the strainer screen.

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Re: Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:02 pm

LOL - 3-4 hours of PTO work = never happen!!! We use the PTO for 7' double auger snow blower - but rarely takes over an hour and nephew goes slow, so no real heavy work. Probably the hardest the tractor PTO ever works is the manure spreader in the summer when he cleans our feed pads & spreads. I will keep that in mind next year to plan to change oil after a clean up day. I do buy Hi-Tran oil all he time.
Yes, it is a power shift. That is what doesn't work if light comes on while out & about. IH guy was here few years after we got it and he said it's an electronic glitch - just live with it. Regular shifting works fine, I just can't slide into faster gears while light is on. But, same light is what comes on now when super cold and total no go. And we have a lot colder weather yet to come.
I will check to see if the "slipping" stops when I put up pressure on clutch. I figure the slipping is a slap on me for trying to move it too quickly.
Once the beast gets rolling - never any hesitation, no matter what I'm doing. Usually carrying two 1300# baleage out to be fed.
Appreciate the feed back. I will pass the comments on to my nephew.
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Re: Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by wbvs58 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:45 pm

Jeanne, the variation you are experiencing with the transmission as it is getting colder is possibly due to a slightly different oil that is in it now. You said it was changed over summer.

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Re: Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:18 pm

Ken - yes, we used up the 5 gallon bucket we had to refill it after a line breaking. Filter was changed at that time. Possibly it was a little different than we've used before - I couldn't say. Besides draining it out & refilling - is there any "conditioner/additive" we can add to the hydraulic oil?
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Re: Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by ClodHopper37869 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:23 am

When we got our first IH PowerShift back in the early 90's, the service manger told us to change the hydraulic filter every spring because of moisture buildup over the winter, and always change it hot. 30years of doing this we have had zero powershift problems, TA problems on the other IH ( 784 & 885 series ), but no powershift problems.

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Re: Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by hurleyjd » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:00 am

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:20 am
Not a mechanic here - remember - woman. All tractors have "glitches - oddities".
I do most of the driving of our tractor. In the past, if I hadn't let it "warm up" quite enough on a super cold day, it would lag when I put it in gear & let clutch out. You know, sort of hesitate. I would know it was still too cold & would give it a few minutes more.
Also, if I lug it (not have RPM's up high enough while driving/feeding) my Check Transmission light will come on and I will no longer be able to speed shift. Has done this for the maybe 15 years I've owned it. Turn off engine, all is good when you restart it.
OK - question is. Now, when we have really cold temps I have to warm it extra long time because the Check Trans. light is on and it will absolutely NOT engage. Yesterday it was 3F. Plugged in long time, let run 15 minutes. Light was on - no go. turned off engine, restarted, light out, all was good.
Any ideas? Is transmission getting bad? Hydo oil was changed this summer (blew a line). Filters changed.
Runs great once it "goes". Feed hay every 2-3 days. No crop work so has very few hours put on in a year.
You might go over to the tractor forum that is connected to this link and post your question. I have received a lot of advice from there that has worked.
http://www.todaystractors.com/ttforum/wwwboard1.html

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Re: Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:59 am

Thanks all. Helpful info. Filter was definitely changed when "not hot". Blew a line while spreading this summer. Sat for a day while we got new line & found time to fix. Filled fluid and changed filter before starting up.
I'm still not convinced it's not some electrical glitch. Like I mentioned, won't go if Check Trans light is on when I start it. But, the last time this happened, I got tired of waiting for it to go out. Shut engine off. Re-started and it was off and engine would engage - kinda same scenario when it's running & I lug it and light comes on - can't Power Shift until I shut it off & restart. Have not had a real cold day since. So haven't been able to experiment.
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Re: Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by rnh2 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:19 pm

Some magnums had pressurized cylinders on transmission that had to be recharged. Friend of mine had to do this on his magnums. He had the larger ones like 200 horses. Yours may be different. Check you tube or independent mechanic
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Re: Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by littletom » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:01 pm

Go to Red Power forum and ask there.

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Re: Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by Silver » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:41 pm

I thought 5230's were Maxxum's, not Magnum's so that shows you what I know. :(

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Re: Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by sim.-ang.king » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:05 pm

Get someone with pressure gauges to check the hydraulic valves on the transmission. Sometimes they lose pressure in one of the valves and the clutch packs won't engage, or it tries to engage multiple clutch packs. I believe those were also electric over hydraulic so it could just be a faulty switch, or sensor, but I could be wrong about that.
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Re: Case IH 5230 Magnum

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:51 am

Silver wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:41 pm
I thought 5230's were Maxxum's, not Magnum's so that shows you what I know. :(
NO - you are right!!! just slip of the old brain!
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