Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby bigbull338 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:49 pm

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bigbull338 wrote:trade your tractor off for another 4x4.the M5s are nice but new they cost $63,600.i just traded a 2013 7040su 4x4 fel rops hydro for a 2012 case 110a cab 4x4 hydro fel.

I can't spend what a new cab tractor cost.

that case 110a listed for $43.900.he gave me $23.500 for the 7040.so i gave $19,000 for the tractor.i liked 1yr on mine paying it off.so my new note is $24,000 for 4yrs
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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby Bigfoot » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:25 pm

bigbull338 wrote:
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bigbull338 wrote:trade your tractor off for another 4x4.the M5s are nice but new they cost $63,600.i just traded a 2013 7040su 4x4 fel rops hydro for a 2012 case 110a cab 4x4 hydro fel.

I can't spend what a new cab tractor cost.

that case 110a listed for $43.900.he gave me $23.500 for the 7040.so i gave $19,000 for the tractor.i liked 1yr on mine paying it off.so my new note is $24,000 for 4yrs


Not bad actually.
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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby dun » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:25 pm

Bigfoot wrote:I'm afraid you guys are right. I have actually looked at some of the feeding stations that the university of Kentucky has built. Thought I might do a couple of them but I'd rather feed on my poorest soils, and try to build them up.

Have you priced the cost of building one? I did several years ago and decided to stick with bale rings and a waste area.
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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby JW IN VA » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:16 pm

I've been driving a tractor for over 50 years.Only driven three in all that time that had 4Wd.They belonged to someone else.I've seen a few times I would have liked to have one but fewer when I needed one.
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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby Nesikep » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:10 pm

We have a 4wd tractor, old County.. it's only job is scraping manure and plowing snow.. occasionally some subsoiling. Ranch across the river just got their first 4wd tractor and they've been feeding cows rounds for decades.

Getting a bigger 2wd tractor (90+ hp), optionally putting radial tires on it, and FAT front tires, carry the weight in the back, and you can do a lot with them still... They will be less forgiving to out right mud bogs, and worn tires of course
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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby jedstivers » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:48 pm

Of course you could. Why punish yourself and halfazz be able to do a job. Buy a older proven machinical model of a good proven brand.
I want a 4050 or 4250 Deere. There's plenty of other good ones too.
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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby Bigfoot » Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:12 pm

dun wrote:
Bigfoot wrote:I'm afraid you guys are right. I have actually looked at some of the feeding stations that the university of Kentucky has built. Thought I might do a couple of them but I'd rather feed on my poorest soils, and try to build them up.

Have you priced the cost of building one? I did several years ago and decided to stick with bale rings and a waste area.


Yes, they are terrible expensive. Concrete pad down both sides, would be the bulk of the expense. The mess around them, gets as bad as the mess you are trying to avoid. I wonder how many feet it would take to feed 85 cows, and 30-40 big calves?
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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby littletom » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:19 pm

We made it for years feeding with a 2wd loader tractor. Now we completely killed that tractor in process. A NH 6635 still have but its in rough shape and well worn for a 20 year old tractor. After wearing out that tractor I know some would disagree, but I think a loader tractor needs 4wd not so much for it but the heavier front end. I really think in my situation for what you just said I would pick 4wd over the cab. But I do not have to travel on the road much feeding in winter. If you have to roll hay with it be hard to give up cab.
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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby RanchMan90 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:53 pm

Have you priced not feeding hay if that's it's only purpose?
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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby bigbull338 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:00 pm

we went for 33yrs without a 4wd tractor till 2010 when the 1st 4x4 was bought.2wd drive retired.then 2 more 4x4 tractors bought and sold this year.2wd drive 90hp used to bale hay.traded 4x4 rops tractor on a 110hp cab 4x4 tractor this week.
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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby chevytaHOE5674 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:06 pm

UP here in snow country I could never survive without 4 wheel drive. 2wd loader tractor in 4 feet of snow is useless, and deep mud it is equally as useless. I have one 2wd tractor left that only gets used in the hay field and when I replace it something mfwd will takes its place for the better ride on rough ground alone.

A mfwd can do everything a 2wd tractor can do and plenty more, a 2wd can't do nearly what a mfwd tractor can do....
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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby Nesikep » Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:01 pm

It's all a tradeoff.. 4wd quickly gets expensive when something goes wrong, and it's not a rare occurrence. As to front ends, different models and makes will have different build qualities on them... We saw some 60hp David Brown and they were flimsy front ends.. then you look at something like a IH 684 family, and there's no way you're breaking that thing.. Ride quality depends greatly on the tire choice too, and most 4wd don't turn as sharp as most 2wd's (exceptions to everything). We don't have the kind of muck Kentucky seems to get, or not for as long (about 2 weeks)... We wouldn't mind getting a 4wd, but certainly not every tractor on a place needs to be.

This is one we've been looking at.. I think it's a 784? I think it needs some work, runs fine but never gets used, big corporate ranch owns it
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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby Aaron » Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:30 pm

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bball wrote:Whats the issdues with the Massey? I made it for years without 4wd, but after having it now, don't think I could go back to the aggravation.
Btw, selling my 656 was a mistake. Wish I still had her..sentimental I guess.


It is constant and never ending. Dry clutch, and I use the loader nearly every time it's ran. Not a big deal, other than this one fails about every 400 hours. Leaks hydraulic fluid like a sain from every single fitting (except the fel). Knocked a whole in the oil pan about a year ago. The old man was driving it, but he didn't remember hitting anything. I buy fuel filters 5 at a time (probably not the tractors fault, but I run the same fuel in everything). The hydraulics connectors are perfectly in line with the top link. If you don't push whatever implement your using purposefully over to the left, the top link will break the connectors. Tearing down the sheet metal to get to anything, is such a PIA, that I have considered running it without, plus your disassembling it every time you use it. There is more, but that's a good start.



I honestly don't see a problem. Massey was always notorious for leaks, so that is nothing new. Dry clutch replacement at 400 hours is operator abuse unless that model in noted for a poor clutch and then usually their is an upgrade kit. Oil pan and fuel is not the tractor's fault. Hydraulic connectors location might be the only real issue I see, and can be fixed with some hydraulic hose and connectors.

I survived up to now without a 4WD. Always carried a round bale on the back for ballast if loader work was required. Would get stuck in 2' snow banks if I didn't plow a path in front of me - but that is what a loader and bucket it for. Mud would likely be your downfall.
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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby BRYANT » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:04 am

what about a tractor without a loader for tractor work and find you a skid loader with tracks for loader work, they are working machines and you can get all kinds of attachments for them.
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Re: Could I survive without a 4 wheel drive?

Postby Allenw » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:42 am

jedstivers wrote:Of course you could. Why punish yourself and halfazz be able to do a job. Buy a older proven machinical model of a good proven brand.
I want a 4050 or 4250 Deere. There's plenty of other good ones too.


I have a 4250 it's been a good tractor. Dad has a 4240 the difference in the two is night and day. They built the 4250 on the same frame as the 4450 and the 4240 is a smaller frame tractor. The bigger tires on the 4250 ride better and hold against side draft better when running a swing tongue swather.
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